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    I am not sure what energy we get from Pakistan or Afghanistan so your point seem totally invalid there Ross. I really do not agree with your cynicism over the arms industry either.

    If either had oil then yes, that would be a good reason to be there though.

    As for the original post, 'rogue forces' in the Pakistani Security services and government are those guilty here and this is not a reason to capitulate. Imagine the nightmare scenario in which the Taliban take control of Pakistan with it nuclear weapons.

    I am not sure what the solution is here but our security forces need to working at it.

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