Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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15 January 2010
21:1237783#1
I had to be careful in picking this thread title as I wouldn't want to give these scumbags the air time with their real name, present or future.
They have been on the news and on Question time last night, they are the group that wanted to demonstrate at Wooten Basset last week.
Their so called leader earns thousands on benefits saying he cannot work and has well known links to terrorist organisations.
My questions are.
1. Why is he allowed to claim what he claims without so much as a single visit to a job center in many many months.
2. why are the group allowed to say things that we ( true Brits ) are not allowed to say without being fined or even locked up, I think they got a slap on the wrist....correct me if I'm wrong.
3. If they love and feel so much for their former country and its people and its terrorists then WHY cannot they be sent back to look after it.
We have enough crap going on in this country without these bozoz making it worse, why MUST we put up with it. GET RID and put a stamp on Britain.
Any thoughts?
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 January 2010
21:2637790#2
i understand that the mouth piece for this group is on a small fortune in benefits, i thought he was british though, so we cannot gte shot of him anywhere.
Guest 641- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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15 January 2010
21:3437795#3
I felt I had to edit out my own previous non pc posting, sorry about that:(
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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15 January 2010
23:1337819#4
It riles me too Ian. The wrong protest in the wrong place at the wrong time.
As for the benefit claims; can you imagine the stink that would arise if his benefits were cut? Some areas of the press would have a field day showing how he was being discriminated against. That aspect of Political (in-)Correctness really makes my blood boil. Someone in a claims office is obvious too frightened of the backlash to query his claim.
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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16 January 2010
00:1437824#5
This thread has had a fair amount of viewings. Shame its not as many as the toilets at the same stage or comments.
Howard, British or not we do not need mouth pieces like this to distort our population and fuel their intentions, it's a shame we have to post on it at all.
We need to get rid and nip it all in the bud as soon as.
We have a fantastic nation, multi culture and everything that goes with it.
Get rid of the crap that tries to bring it all down.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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16 January 2010
02:5937829#6
Ian
1. I am not sure why he is allowed to claim without reporting to a Job Centre but would imagine that following the adverse publicity that DWP are now investigating his claims.
2. Free speech is why he was but now banned from airing his views but sometimes its stretched to its limits.However try shouting anti islamic chants outside a mosque and see how far that gets you....Wormwood Scrubs...most likely.
3. As to why he doesn't return to his 'home country' simple he wouldn't get free housing schooling health care and benefits there.
As you know I am the son of an immigrant but from a different era and now forgotten time.But in the 60's we experienced racism from other kids at school but I thought it was because of their ignorance of my fathers background and never let it bother me. Not all immigrants are the same and many devote their lives to becoming good citizens of their adopted country. Proud of their heritage but grateful that this country accepted them in their hour of need when other countries shunned them and closed their doors.
The Uk has a long history of accepting refugees and displaced persons unfortunately this act of 'kindness' is now being seen as a 'weakness' and exploited by unscrupulous individuals.
Firmer but fairer immigration controls are required. Anyone found guilty of a serious offence should (as they used to be) be recommended for deportation.I would class incitement to racial hatred as fairly serious.
But the question is what one can do to curb the ever growing number of second and third generation immigrant descendents that were born in this country but then go on to swear their allegiance to other flags or faiths.
Its difficult , better education maybe a shift in the UK's overseas policies ie "let them get on with it" or as Bob recommends stop overseas aid.Maybe even suffer international abuse and close our borders.The US and UK can no longer afford to police the world.We have the UN and Nato why not use them?
Sorry Ian no real answers but the wife is on nights and after a couple of cognacs thought I'd give you my two pennies worth.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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16 January 2010
08:4937836#7
I think Marek makes some very valid points, There are a number of persons on benefits for whatever reason, which i have posted on here before, and dare i say it, some were even white British.
No major political party has any plans to change the benefits system in a way that would sort it out.
The system needs an urgent review and major change
but im afraid it won't happen
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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16 January 2010
11:5537866#8
I'm not so sure that I agree with you, Ian: multi-cultural Britain causes so many racial issues that I believe we were a better nation with stronger morals before the influx of so many migrants.
It sounds racist, and I assure you that I hold no racist beliefs at all, but I believe that an integrated society in Britain is idealistic - we can live shoulder to shoulder with different faiths, differnt colours and different cultures, but is our neighbourliness founded on strong or false foundations? I see the headline in today's Daily Telegraph is that Britain is believed to be the strongest hub for Al-Qaeda in the West, and that much of the terrorist threat to a Western way of life is from home-grown (ie British) fundamentalists. All of which leads to suspicion between neighbours and friends - how can anyone be sure of another's beliefs or intentions. I have to stress here that I have many Asian friends in Leicester and from my days in London, and in Norway as well; I trust them implicitly and know them to be beyond question. However, can that be true of everyone? The alleged circle of terrorists within the NHS in Staffordshire that was smashed a couple of years ago shook me to the core - my family roots are in Staffordshire, it's an area I know very well and have loved all my life, and I wouldn't have believed anyone from there could be involved in plots to kill innocent people.
For me, it comes down to Martin Luther King's old quote about people being judged not by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character, and these scum bags (as Ian so rightly calls them) tarnish all people of their colour by their actions, unfairly so. There are scum bags in all colours, it boils down to the individual. However, inner cities areas seem to have ghettos that are divided along the lines of colour, and this I believe caused the racial friction that started riots in Toxteth, Tottenham and Brixton in the 80s and that now seems to be the spawning ground for fundamentalist hatred today.
My question from all of this is, therefore, "Is idealism undermining the fabric of our society?". I hope not.
True friends stab you in the front.
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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16 January 2010
12:4537875#9
Good post Marek. It is enlightening and useful to get a different perspective at times.
Britain has been multi-cultural for a very long time and it is what makes this nation what it is today. What has happened over the past few decades is that we have accepted refugees rather than immigrants, and as pointed out earlier, these people still owe allegiance to their country of origin and appear not to want to fully integrate into the British culture. These people are a minority, but a very vocal one, and it is past time that they put up AND shut up or go elsewhere.
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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16 January 2010
19:0437937#10
I don't have anything to add, other than I agree with what's been said.
It is scary to think of what may/will happen if this kind of behaviour is allowed to continue
The words on some of those placards will come true - "Islam will take over the U.K." - if we let it.
Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.
Roger
Brian Dixon
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16 January 2010
20:3837955#11
dammed if you do dammed if you dont.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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17 January 2010
07:3837988#12
No one but an Islamic Fundamentalist would object to these being thrown out Brian - to anywhere - at at the minimum, having their benefits cut-off.
We are so stupid, we really are.
Roger