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    i would go for 70 phil as that is the age that drivers need a note from their g.p.'s

    you mention some that take additional training but i would guess that is a very small number and in any case they would pass a retest easily.

    it took me a year roughly after my test to be a responsible driver and another 2 years to forget all i had learned and adopt bad habits.

    another problem is that many people think they are good drivers and everyone else is not hence the accidents.

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