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    barryw no one expected anything different than you to fudge over charlies voting,

    charlie probably did do what he thought to be the correct thing for local people,i but this is realy about was this an error of judgement?
    local people would have been looking to see if there MP was amongst those rebelling against the cobbled together govt.

    your dave was always going to have his skin saved by the labour/lib dems
    so realy why he forced through a 3 line whip was a crazy move for him
    thus bringing people out of the woodwork like tebbitt whos stating that because your dave stopped listerning this could be the build up to a leadership challenge.

    the cracks are opening up all over, whether you want to see them or not baz

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