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  No Keith - I am being realistic. Look at the history of refenda, look at those we would be up against and consider the picture they would paint, the scare stories. They would literally do that, lie and scare the public who tend to default to the establishment view in most cases, the easy way. Its a lot easier to scare than top convince by good argument.
  
  We can and will get out and win a refendum to do it but we must have a better question to put than a mere in or out. Renegotiated terms that would re-align the UK to a Swiss style arrangement with the EU is one that could be won and the EU lobby will not be able to scare people.

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