howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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easy to see the advantages to cleggy's lot but i don't see any benefits to the reds.
mind you i think that ed is clueless enough to bite.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9308108/Senior-Liberal-Democrats-in-secret-talks-with-Labour.htmlGuest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Surely the Conservatives must comprehend the fact that the Coalition will not last long,
Mr. Clegg seems to be the captain of a sinking ship, the LibDems.
The Tories need to do something, and quick, in order to gain popular support or at least be given a chance by many disenchanted people.
Barry's spending-cuts-only programme is proven to be utmost unpopular
, there has to be a road to economic overhaul and growth.
The Conservatives need an ally or two who, even though not politically minded, have no programme to bring the Tory party down, but share enough in common with them for a fruitful outcome.
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The conservatives could not win outright after 13 years of labour failure.
So Come 2015 the dead in the water liberal party voters will migrate to labour
So what of the conservative party, that have reengaged on there promises to cut significantly immigration numbers?
Have not torn up the Human rights act,
Have not given the voters a say on Europe, and have actively campaigned for membership of turkey to join the EU and give them the rights to flood into the UK.
And on top of this cut the tax for the very Rich, and have not cut the 86 pence taxes on fuel.
Not looking good is it
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The alternative, Keith, is a return to Labour government.
The Conservatives clearly cannot continue as at present if they are to find a road to economic prosperity. They need to take important decisions now, and clearly UKIP went for a head-on collision course with all mainstream parties, including the Tories.
So the Conservatives can't afford an alliance with any party that is bent on their electoral destruction, including the LibDem dissenters who are now seeking Labour.
It's time to wake up, otherwise the Tories might lose significantly and be out of government.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think most blue m.p.'s realise that they will be out of power in 2015.
up until a few months back i thought they might gain a slight majority but as each week goes by they look ever more hapless on most issues but worst of all on the economy which is normally their strong point.
the cabal at the top are out of touch with the back benchers and the country at large, it can only end in tears.
Brian Dixon
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ed milliband is not that daft or slow,but if the two tie up the out come could be intressting.may be a bit of tory bashing in the house.
Keith Sansum1
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probably a good thing talks taking place, as i want to this the tories out of office as soon as,
but are labour ready? what do they have to offer?
cant see the benefits for ed joining in with the lib dems
the lib dems sold there soul before, would be very unwise to go into any colition with them.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Not the libels Keith ,the libels core voters changing sides
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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arnt they all,swings and roundabouts etc.
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The basic paradox of modern politics is that the men and women who have what it takes to get to the top of the greasy pole do not have the qualities required for high office and should certainly not be trusted with power.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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politics is a funny game
who would of thought prior to the general election the way the lib dems were spouting anti tory stuff that they would become best bed buddies?
think though the lib dem membership and some leading lib dem members more in line with publiuc thinking
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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courtesy of the daily mail
A Labour source told a Sunday newspaper: 'Lib Dems are waking up to the fact that Nick Clegg has led them to the edge of the abyss in terms of the next election. They could be looking at a dramatic reduction in their MPs.
'These talks are designed to find common ground so that, if the next election result is inconclusive, we could enter a progressive coalition with them.'
Last week Mr Cable cast doubt on the Coalition lasting a full term.
His spokesman confirmed he had held phone calls with the Labour leader.
'Vince Cable has met Ed Miliband twice since he became leader two years ago and has had a handful of phone conversations, when they discussed banking reforms amongst other things,' she said last night.
'Vince told Nick Clegg about this and he was very relaxed. Liberal Democrats believe in the tradition of plurality and many of our MPs have conversations with politicians across the political spectrum.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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i just hope labour don't look at this as a way into number 10 just a short term thing
needs to be thought out, and looking to the long term future
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, of-course Labour want to get into N. 10, and as it stands now, the Coalition are doing their utmost to open the door at N. 10 to Labour.
The strategic term when a general on the battlefield allows his army to be outflanked on both sides by the opposing forces, is called an act of love.
I think the top Tory pieces in the Cabinet are doing this.
If this goes on, the Tory party must surely know that either they rebel against the Cabinet, and risk an early G.E with honour, or remain silent and take the road to certain electoral catastrophe a little further down the road.
Or the Cabinet wake up and do something constructive.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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the co olition boat is getting very rocky,
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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courtesy of the guardian.
A senior Labour figure has urged his Liberal Democrat counterpart in the House of Lords to "keep the lines of communication open", in the strongest signal to date that elements of the party are preparing the ground for a possible Lib-Lab coalition after the next election.
Demonstrating Labour's desire to rebuild relations with the Liberal Democrats, Labour's chief whip in the Lords, Lord Bassam, has written to his Lib Dem equivalent welcoming his background as a "flexible friend of other parties" and urging him to meet with them more often.
Bassam's letter to Lord Newby is being represented as an attempt to move the two parties beyond sometimes bitter relations in the last parliament over controversial measures such as the shakeup of the NHS, welfare and legal aid.
"The last couple of years have been a bit bruising for your colleagues in this house, and no doubt they will be looking forward to a change of management to see if it brings some light relief," says Bassam. Later he writes: "I would keep a weather eye on the general election and thereafter. Your background as a flexible friend of other parties may come in handy. Keeping lines of communication open to the official opposition party might serve you well in the longer term."
The letter, sent just over a week ago, follows a report that the Labour leader, Ed Miliband, has been having phone calls with the Lib Dem business secretary, Vince Cable, a professed "social democrat" on the left of his party and one of the few senior figures who has been openly critical in government - a development interpreted as a sign of thawing relations. Labour politicians also appear to have moderated a tactic of riling their opponents by describing them as "Liberals".
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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power at any cost is not the way forward
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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mr laws would sit ok on the front benches of the tory party,
his problem is after 2015 he would be in oppostion if he joined the tories thats if they last that long.
my own feelings are that no party will get outright majority then we will see some realy strange alliances cropping up.
for my part labour going in with lib dem is maybe a bad idea
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