howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1
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howard some good reading, another area where the tories are ripping themselves apart, but on this issue some of them must be correct, and im sure some will enjoy the party conference and speak out against cameron.
it was never in any doubt that those tory MP's wanting to move up the slmey
ladder will have had there chances reduced by the lib dem cobbled together fiasco's.
Although charlie boy was mentioned, he wasn't mentioned as a rebel, but one that wants to get on and so wont rock the boat.
people are starting to believe me that this cobbled together govt is crumbling
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the way i read it was that charlie was a rebel until dave told him not to be.
i can see why the new intake are starting to stand up for themselves, at present they feel that are being ignored and that their party is the junior part of the coalition.
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Isn't it amazing that journalists can start chatter and Chinese whispers which always end up so far from the truth.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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if that is the case there are many avenues for denial, we will await with interest any response.
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Tch, Journos, eh?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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yes howard we will wait and wait and wait
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Cameron's nemesis will be the EU issue.
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I think that these are very welcome developments and are far from a problem. Of course, what you have here is just the Grauniad spin and you can't really take it too seriously. Remember, the Conservative Party is proud to be a Party of individuals and it encourages original thinking. The high calibre of the new intake alone means that they will be more active in this way now they have found their feet.
I expect them to be supportive of the government while quite rightly applying pressure for more Conservative solutions to our problems. I am not slow myself in critisising the government when needed, such as recently over the need for more cuts and a growth policy. That does not mean I am not being overall supportive of the government but then I, of course, have no real influence, even less than a backbench MP....
Our opponents, with their collectivist approach, simply cannot understand this kind of freedom to think and speak.
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I still think it's a shame that opinions have to be communicated from back bench to front via the Guardian. Don't MPs speak to each other in Westminster?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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nice try at deflecting things barry.
most criticism of the blues that i post on here comes from the mail and telegraph, i don't see you accusing them of putting spin on the articles.
you state that your party encourages individual thinking doesn't seem to be the case, the whips are already getting ready to put them down, charlie appears to have seen this and ducked out.
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Yes they do have their spin as well Howard. The Telegraph has for a long time been a critic.
Do not mix up the encouragement of individual thinking with the need for getting legislation though parliament. The latter is what the whips are for. The MPs are quite at liberty to put forward various ideas.
Remember two things:
1/ We are in the middle of the silly season so the media are looking out for things to spin even more than usual to create a good story.
2/ We will soon enter the Conference season and that is the time when ideas are encouraged and debated.
I have been to many a conference right back to the time of Mrs T when new ideas were floated that were at odds with policy at the time but eventually end up as policy. Back in 2004 Doug Carswell put forward a document that helped him make his name (with contributions from Dan Hannen) much of that is in the localism agenda of the government. Governments get stale quickly if they stop their backbench MPs from doing 'blue sky' thinking.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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i will agree that govts get in the way all to often barryw
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