Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
Spotted this just now:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-14516317
Good for the protesters and well done to Thanet DC for seeking legal advice to see if they can ban this from the port.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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from what i have read previously thanet council had wanted to ban the live exports but had legal obstacles to overcome.
would be a popular move if the trade was stopped.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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It isn't illegal so the constant bashing of the Council ny people there isn't really fair even if they to own the port.
I thought Dover went through the exactly the same problem and nothing could be done there either ??
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
i hate to be a spoil sport,but is a perfectly leagle trade,farmers get paid extra for live exports rather than hanging meat [slaugterd here and put into reefer lorries].
Guest 658- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I frequently have livestock lorries parked next to me, whilst not being an expert on animal welfare they dont look stressed to me indeed the cattle are normally chewing the cud and looking out. If the animals were as stressed as people claim the farmers would not get top dollar for them, also the majority are not going for slaughter.
beer the food of the gods
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
GUZZLER;
Dover did go through the same process and although not illegal, both the companies and DHB itself did stop the export for a while.
to say there is no cruelty is incorrect.
one of the reasons for it stopping was lorries parked up for over 24 hours livestock left unattended little food, in very cramped conditions often in hot weather
these types of incidents were not isolated incidents
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Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
- Posts: 2,438
DHB did indeed stop it for a while and were very heavily fined for doing so, no doubt if there was berthing available now then the focus would be on Dover again and not Ramsgate.
Audere est facere.
Guest 717- Registered: 16 Jun 2011
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These protesters are fighting against live animal exports. But I see plenty of lorries going out for breeding in the same conditions and never see any protesters at those times. Is it not the same thing? Would like to hear a protesters comment on that as have always been curious.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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helent,its the same differance.i allso dont see protesters blockading the port/s when horses go through either.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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I am totally anti the live export business and feel that the cattle trucks being shipped on tiny little rust bucket "ferries" like the Joline only add to the animals discomfort.
Audere est facere.
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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I originally wrote this poem about Dover, but have adapted it slighlty ;)
MEAT
Oh Ramsgate indifferent
And empty of soul
As sentient beings
Head down a black hole
The plaintive condemned
Their fear exuding
With snouts through the bars
Helplessly protruding
Young girl in McDonalds
catches their eye
As another death cargo
Steals silently by
And parents go set
Your gaze on the floor.
Don't bother your heads
Nor involve yourselves more
Look away now
Think on it no further
As your young ones sit munching
On a hamburger
And cover the eyes
Of your son and your daughter
As the lorries roll by
Taking lambs to the slaughter.
Andrew Stucken
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
that seems to sum things up fairly clearly, most of us dislike the live exports with a great intensity but do not do very much about trying to stop it.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
Helen - it is not per se about the slaughter of the animals (though as a vegetarian I am opposed to that too), or being taken for breeding, or being moved following a livestock sale but about how well they are treated on their journey - the problem is that our very decent rules about feed, water, space per animal, stops for rest etc. dont apply in many parts of Europe, in fact many hauliers ignore our rules as soon as they enter the docks.
In fact the majority of the cattle being moved through Ramsgate and Dover before that is calves for the Dutch veal industry - they use veal crates to restrict the calves and force feed them a diet solely of milk - a hideous way to produce something that tastes no different from calf meat reared in open fields. This practice is outlawed in the UK and Ireland. However due to the demand for pale/almost white fleshed veal on the continent, calves are exported from the UK and Ireland in huge numbers (due to our very large dairy industry)
Horses are different Brian as their movement is governed by different rules including the need to quarantine for 6 months - unless they are race horses/sports horse in which case they will have animal passports detailing their vaccinations, health etc. plus of course compared to other animals horses are incredibly expensive and as such their owners take incredible care of them.
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