howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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It is this total lack of sentencing right across the board which has lead directly to the riots for example. There is no threat to your wellbeing for wrongdoing. Fortunately the riots appear to have changed all that and now we are seeing some sentences to match the crime. Some deterrent to cause a pause before serious criminal behaviour. I bet some of the rioters are somewhat sorry now.
However there has been some criticism of the sentencing..but why?
Ken Clarke, in an effort to save money, was endeavouring to keep yet more people out of clink..but his policies are in shreds now, as due to popular demand the opposite is happening. Expect to see him move in a reshuffle.
Brian Dixon
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prisons are fill to bursting,allmost at riot point now.
Keith Sansum1
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leaderless cameron has a real dilema, does he ditch ken clarke and the party lurch to the right, becoming again unelectable, or does he keep ken in the hope of keeping the party together?
my bet is that ken will go, but the party will be in danger of moving to the right
be interesting to see how leaderless cameron handles it.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Well Keith, the most obvious thing is to reshuffle and let go Ken Clarke, and expect more sympathy from the voting populace at the nexy G.E.
The PM, in my view, has made some questionable decisions, but it's hard to define him as leaderless, as he does wield a lot of authority.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ALEXANDER;
Just the U turns alone are enough to qualify my view, so obviiously i dont share your view.
Problem for leaderless dave is as i said, if he ditches ken(which he probably will)
the party will probably lurch to the right(not what leaderless dave wants)
as the party will go back to the days of being unelectable.
on the question of being popular, blimey mate get real,
its ok talking tough, but in reality as brian says the prisons are full, so theres no where to send people even if they wanted to
and this issue isnt being dealt with
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Why is this forum such a political platform? Banter is good, but this incessant right is might, and left is good does not actually solve or debate the real issues......
Mr Sansum....is forever putting a lefty dig in...and for him to keep admitting he was a labour councellor for 30 years, is surely embarrassing
considering the awful state of Dover......
All parties come in with, a "we are getting tough on criminals/unsocial behaviour" mantra.......it is as tedious as the "regeneration of Dover" because nothing ever gets done.....no-one has the courage to get the basics sorted...
ie....name and shame the land owners who are leaving buildings to go derelict in order to get more wonga...........fine them to extinction....then take the buildings as payment
However, back to the thread...I think it is very boring to keep giving out personal digs re. the political leaders etc.....you could write a book on little Millband....but it does not solve or make the issues go away...
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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CHARLIE;
Thankyou for your comments, and those that know me within priory and the wider area will know i worked hard in my 30 years but i will leave that for others to comment.
with regard to the the digs as you call them, you are one of many whom decide to comment on my postings, yet there are many posters who are critical often of milliband, and politicians and parties in general on a regular basis yet you make no mention of them at all.
One person who does not need to be named is on here every day on his hate for all things labour.
yet noticed you havn't mentined him at all.
that in itself makes me wonder why?
do you have a leaning towards other than a left view(and thats fine)
but you have to be consistent and be critical of all persons and not just name one as thats a tad unfair me finks.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Two actually Keith, not just one. It's the ideas, ideals and the complete lack of honesty that are hated, not the people.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ROGER;
My point is roger, that all parties(including your own) can be accused of lieing
and i have as much distaste of the cobbled together govt as yourselves of the labour party and thats fine.
my point was the need to be consistent (charlie) and not pick out one indiviuals postings which happens often.
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Mr Sansum....
It is an observation, from someone who is unbiased politically when it comes to a forum such as this....
You have had your political platforms, and constant references regarding what or what was not done in the past....to my mind is futile.....ie...the forum is being used as a political platform.....when objective views are sorely needed....
you take things too personally Mr Sansum....no good at all.....
The cobbled together government, what you keep referring to....happened because the Country was sick of the mess it is in...and voted accordingly....
i.e.....please work together, and sort something out....but as you can see ref this forum, and entrenched people like yourself...it ain't going to happen..
Please be assured it is nothing personal...you are just prominent because of your bleating!!!!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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no such thing as polictical bias on here mr norman.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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charlie
thankyou(i think) lol for your comments
please call me keith(if you like lol)
you will find i make many other comments on other threads
such as community garden, dole, plus many more.
for history the forum was seen as a conservative party platform over the years, and this has changed, and we now have a large contributiuon from many walks of life, both political and non political backgrounds, something that i have always encouraged and supported.
i even spoke out against one right wing poster who was banned for a short time saying that person should have the right to air his views even if we disagree with the views expressed.
i noticed you made no comment on other posters who make very similar postings every day of the week and thats fine.
danger there is we go back to dreeary one sided conservative web site,
something i wouldnt want to see.
the forum has a lot of expertese, and wide ranging views which i think is fantastic
long may it continue
as i say im happy for you to be critical of my postings, but with this you need to be consistent on other posters who do much the same.
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Charlie we love all the politicking here..its what we do. We dont mind what side anyone is on so heavens no we dont want to stop anyone sticking their political tuppenceworth in. All part of the fun.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Charlie a very unbalanced criticism, it would appear only the left side of the forum irks you? how is that non political?
Audere est facere.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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getting back to sentencing i think that dave wants ken clarke there for two reasons
1) ken is trying to save money in his department like all the other ministers, hence lenient sentences.
2) the lenient sentences mean that dave can come across as holier than thou, wringing his hands and distancing himself from the justice minister.
Jan Higgins
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Charlie, when you have been with us a little longer you will know who is very biased and who is neutral.
There are two or three people on here whose posts I very seldom bother reading because either they are so biased or incomprehensible. Keith I hasten to add is not one of them but then we all believe our opinion is the correct one and surprisingly we can be wrong.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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JAN;
Thankyou for that, and martin to
my views expressed are no different to others whos views i may not share, but i fight for the right for all to post or woulnt it get boring.
martin is correct as i tried to point out if you are critical you need to be consistent on all posters.
with regard to our ken clarke, i think like cameron hios time is up and its just a matter of time on who goes first
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