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    I totally agree Sarah, it is crazy to suggest that you can off care and a decent quality of life for that amount. Nobody could.

    How much did the state used to provide the provision for?

    But this is the worry surely? The state will not offer up anymore money than they do currently and the NHS restructuring does nothing to address this fundamental point. The people concerned (in Southern Cross case the elderly) cannot give anymore, who is going to offer up the money then?

    So in the case of Southern Cross, if it is impossible for the public sector to offer decent care for £2.50 and a private company can't do it, where does that leave the people in need!

    We could carry on looking for people to take on these going concerns or ACTUALLY do something about it. It is absolutely true that reform is needed but this is 'reform' it is no better than 'shopping around' for you energy supplier, knowing that they will all only act in their own interests first.

    Let the private sector work out how much it costs before profit, then we set this as the premium and we let management consultants etc advise/run such services for us. Profit then could be payed straight back in to make things even better...Barry is right, profit is good.

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