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    Keith - do get real.

    The debate and discussion of views is all about challenging and being challenged.

    Views and opinions should always be able to be backed up by the person offering the viewpoint, viz a viz...
    You say you think X, and I say I think Y, is a rather pointless and boring exchange. But, if you say you think X for this or that reason, then I say I think Y for this or that reason, and query/challenge some of the reason you provide for thinking X - then we can have a real discussion that is interesting.

    Only too often you will give an opinion with no reason or case stated, I will say I disagree for this reason or that and you get all hissy accusing me of stifling different opinions - the opposite being true. Far better for you to respond with a reason for your opinion and a challenge to my reasons.

    If you express a view then be prepared for someone who takes a different viewpoint to ask for it to be substantiated - that is what intelligent debating and discussion is all about.

    I have tried before to explain this to you and to draw out a more constructive debate but so far it seems to fall on deaf ears. Hope I have explained this better.

    The other problem I have is where some people, you included, misrepresent and wrongly re-interpret what is said whether by me or other people. That does make me justifiably annoyed.

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