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    Thanks for the extra tips Jeane..my battle goes on. Will try all.

    Love that one Phil..but surely you mean the 'Best of Barry Manilow'. In far off Transylvania, where they have had one or two problems with blood sucking vampires hanging around their balconies over the years, they say that the Manilow collection is now more effective than crosses, garlic, and even those early Des O Connor's...so you could be onto a winner there with that suggestion

    Fortunately at least the pigeons around here are not of the blood sucking vampire variety.

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