Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Not a lot that is new here.
"A spokesman for the department said: 'Trade in recyclable materials is a global market and we want to see UK businesses make money from it to help boost our economy. We would like to see our own recycling industry grow so that we can grasp this opportunity with both hands.'"
This is empty talk. We have been recycling for years and the 'tighter controls' will be years yet in coming, when a realistic business plan and a modicum of determination to make recycling work would have sorted all of this at the beginning.
It appears that there cannot be joined-up thinking without instant entanglement.
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Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Indeed Tom, nothing new in the story which is why, for the life of Me, I cannot get to grips with the fact that People still recycle in their millions. Complete waste of time and does nothing for the environment save make middle England feel like they're........."doing something for the planet".
Pointless posturing which causes more pollution than it's supposed to stop.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Recycling is better done than not, it could be drastically reduced if all household waste was of some immediate beneficial use.
At the manufacturing stage (goods & packaging) and the retail stage (electronic equipment etc.) much could be done to short-circuit the 'cycle' of old products becoming new products.
Certainly on the electronics front many of the sources of the required raw materials are being bought-up by China, by sending them our 'scrap' may leave us totally dependant upon them further down the line.
I'm sure the regulations that stem from the EU are deliberately vague to encourage member states to formulate their own response. It is our response that has failed miserably.
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Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Phil - you are so right and not just with recycling -with every damn thing in our bullshine economy.- the metaphor of the 'Matrix' trilogy rings true to life more and more each day.
Never give up...
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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The regulations do indeed come from the EU. If We don't recycle We get fined under the European landfill directive at roughly £64 per tonne at the moment. Nothing vague about that. We don't recycle You, Me and the dog pays. But I suppose there's a planet that needs saving so it must be worth it.
Not.
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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So what you're saying Phil is that to avoid the fines our coalition calamity is sanctioning the export of household waste to 3rd world countries.?
Never give up...
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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No Richard this has been going on for years and years. It has nothing to do with which party is in power. It was just a stupid idea from the start.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Whether we agree on the whys and the wherefores, the decision to encourage recycling was made and agreed centrally, but rather than be told from Brussels how everything should be done, each member state was 'encouraged', through such things as the landfill directive, to sort themselves out. This we have singularly failed to do. And it is your fault Philip, really it could be called Philip's Folly.
I don't quite mean that you and you alone are to blame, but the same logic you apply is the logic applied by our successive Governments...Let's not bother/all we need do is avoid the surcharge/make it sound good at all costs etc. etc.
We should by this time not be buying Grey, White and Black goods, we should be leasing them. Leasing them either from the manufacturer via the retailer or from the retailer direct. We should be returning them as we once did milk-bottles. This would force the industry and Government to tackle recycling old into new. Instead, and here your name come up again, our prime wish is for this cup to pass from us. To shun a problem that definitely has our name upon it and pass it along to Asia, Africa or China, and at the same time spinning the line that it's the EU what made me do it. The new 'Road Rage' of the traffic in trade.
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Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Not Me Squire, honest. The thing is that the ROC is just another EU directive invented by those with an environmental axe to grind and encouraged by those who stand to make millions from the scheme. It's that simple.
But such has the propaganda so reached so deep into the psyche of most people that to suggest that recycling is a bad idea is tantamount to suggesting that one would like to see the end of the world tomorrow.
It's quite brilliant really.
Invent a problem and then invent a solution and vilify anyone who suggests otherwise.
It's an old trick and nearly always works.
That's what governments and grand powers do. It's their stock in trade.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Recycling is a way of life in countries where many live off 30p a day.
India will dissemble everything according to its individual components and melt it down, then ship it off to China for an income.
China will use the recycled prime resources to churn out new products and then ship them off to Europe and Britain for a revenue.
We in the West will consume the products and toss the packaging and old computers in the assorted bins, which the Council will collect every 2 weeks and ship back to India.
So the cycle goes on, according to each people's beliefs: we believe in an afterlife, the Indians believe in reincarnation, the Chinese believe in creation. Each play their part, and so trade goes on.
...the container ships crossed the seas, and we made the best of what we had.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i recycle purely and simply because i dislike intensely landfill sites and hopefully there will be less need for new ones in the future.
don't forget that ddc get revenue from this, if that stopped they would have to find another way into our pockets.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Howard, I didn't know that DDC get any revenue from the recycling scheme.
If they do, which I find hard to believe, surely all We're doing is giving money to the local authority in order that they can "give it back to us" Bonkers.
I don't recycle for different reasons. First, it's a waste of expensive fuel and Manpower and holds up the traffic. Secondly there is no shortage of landfill sites in the UK. Would People rather be left with a big hole in the ground following quarrying etc. or have a landscaped area which might serve some useful purpose?
Recycling encapsulates the problem We have here with this environmental madness. Policies designed to save the planet only impoverish us all when you consider that among the only things We export nowadays is fresh air and goods We import which have reached the end of their life