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    welcome john.


    paul mentions the above, all valid points, may i add the following.

    1) the penny has still not dropped with them, the guilty ones that are standing down, will recieve whopping pensions and other goodies, no doubt.

    2)we are now getting to the issue of second, third or even tenth jobs. these are the same people that were so busy in the commons they needed a second home as 10 miles was too far away to travel.

    3) only a few weeks ago, in the middle of the furore, they were stopped at the last minute from voting themselves a massive pension rise, whilst the news was full of bad news for working peoples pensions.

    in short, they have not learned anything, they still see us as poking our noses into the hallowed rooms of their club.

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