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    with paddy pantsdown(woops ashdown) he's no more a believer in AV than the lib dems.
    its a third rate proposal that lib dems dont siupport but its the best they could get through.

    so they are campaigning on a second or third rate proposal that they dont support but best threy could get through.

    the lib dems both in cabinet and in the party are seething at this, but having achieved this 2nd or 3rd rate p;roposal, they are now clearly dividing from the tories and mr cameron clearly wants tro be seen as one who wont support it.

    as barryw says its all ok disagreeing in govt but this issue is one the lib dems stand for(sorry used to stand for lol)

    of course mr osborne is correct(blimey wheres my pill bottle lol) its about the yes campain use of this body, which calls into question if its impartial

    at the end of theday its unlikely the AV will get through so its realy a lot of hot air

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