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  #8 - Howard. That just shows what a twerp Cable is. The only ideological zealot, in this case, is Cable trying to keep the risks of employing people high and in so doing is a serious danger to anyone who wants to work. No wonder the government is struggling to get growth in coalition with people like him holding it back.
  
  GaryC. You are correct about what I want. I want this because people who are on low incomes and unemployed will benefit most, but all of us will benefit from the economic impact. I really do believe and have reasons for doing so that have been explained before that the minimum wage (alongside immigration and tax credits) have been keeping wage for most people down. The simplistic policies designed to help low paid groups have been counter-productive and are part of the problems we have not the solutions.
  
  This is not about us and them and to suggest it is all for employer's benefit is just not the case. This is about all of us and it is this 'them and us' characterisation that is economically damaging. It is only private employers who through their success generate wealth and create jobs. We need a successful economy for job security and improved incomes for everyone, not just employers. This is where we are in it together and not in the rather trite way people like Keith think of it.
  
  As for 'loopholes' - this is not about more loopholes but new job creating solutions. If, as I want, we had a system of lower, flat and simple taxes then we will have a fairer system with few 'loopholes'. This MP has proposed a middle way that is worth exploring and having a trial may show us a way to help a lot of people back to work. Far frrom being an idiot, he is applying some intelligent out of the box thinking to the problem and we need more of that.

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