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    How many do you want Ray?

    Amusingly, I was watching Politics Live earlier this week which had on its panel one Craig Mackinlay. OK, he's not the sharpest knife in the parliamentary drawer but the amusing point was that, at the end of a long discussion on this subject where all his arguments (mainly the same as yours) were picked apart, he was reduced to the same rhetorical bellow, demanding of this fellow contributors "how many do you want?".

    The answer was fairly unanimous. We need immigration and we owe civilisation an obligation to offer shelter to those suffering persecution. We want to achieve those goals in an humane and controlled way.

    Mackinlay didn't even have the bottle to say ZERO on national television but simply shuffled nervously in his seat and avoided the question when it was put back to him.

    Another of your role models, maybe?

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