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    PaulB - I really do not follow or agree with your logic.

    Iran is what it is because of the Iranians.

    They overthrew the Shah and replaced him with a violent fundamentalist regime that is guilty of the torture and killing you refer to, not the west. The present regime is not exactly one of the west's choosing.

    The Shah was not perfect but was far, far better than the monsters now in charge, added to which he was friendly to the west as a bonus.

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