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    clearly you have not read the thread barry otherwise you would know the issue is not about incentivising work over benefits. the human stories that are evolving all the time due the ill thought out scheme are quite harrowing and hit the vulnerable without saving any money - ids has admitted to that.

    you clearly think the election result is more important than people suffering, the nasty party never went very far away, not that i have much more confidence that the others actually care either.

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