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    Just to get back to the original thread, I'm so pleased that john has now been given the figures by the local party and able to re produce them on the forum on the number of women already heavily involved locally which rather deflates his parties argument.

    That said being opposed to (as i'v had this very conversation with john) and making a stand are two very different things.

    A few posters(and clair herself)are saying that under a system that did not include W.O.S. clair would have stood and supporters of clair have said she was an outstanding candidate and would have won anyway, well that we will never know, and it's a great shame this part was never tested.

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