howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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read up a bit on the new cobbled together deal from the government and reached the conclusion is was quite generous.
anyone within 10 years of planned retirement date would still finish up at the same age and with the same level of pension.
hasn't struck a chord with the unions so far but i would think that the workforce will be happy with it.
I am astonished that the public sector seem to think it is still ok to rub the private sectors noses in it! None of it is pretty, and we are all making sacrifices, all a bit unsatisfactory, but come on guys!
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Not all!!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
If anything this is still far too generous and will need to be cut back again in future. The public sector should be put on an equal footing with the private sector where such luxuries of a defined benefit scheme are not affordable. The future lays in money purchase pensions and a very generous government contribution could still be made to set an example while saving taxpayers a lot of dosh.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
This is a little like Greece, everybody can tighten their belts except them. Very selfish and insular.
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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The solution is simple, barry may correct me.
The govt should give the public sector the pension contributions and invite them to buy a money purchase scheme. When they get the projected fund value they will realise just how well off they are
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the penny has just dropped with me, the members have all been ballotted.
dave and danny alexander put in the great offer too late with a proviso that it would not be offered again.
there would be no chance of presenting a case to the members and holding a vote before the end of november.
clever scam, i have underrrated the deviousness of dave.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
howard;
you never thought barrys dave is devious
you have to be kidding.
this latest deal is a little better but like the TUC general secreary says they need to review the offer and then come to a decision
sadly bern not everyone is needing nor making sacrifices
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Never underestimate the manipulative skills of, well, anyone, but in particular politicians. And especially plausible "likeable" ones. When I say "politicians", I include union leaders in that. It is part of the JD for all of them, and what makes them good at what they do and worth re-electing - whichever side of the divide you are on - is when they do it well.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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never seen dave as that subtle, usually sticks his size 12's in without thinking.
i should have seen through it, the proposals meant that it would be at least a decade before a penny was saved.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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just voted 3 to 1 for strike action
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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old news keith, that is the point of this thread.
dave waits for the ballot to be held then makes an offer that cannot be accepted.
I would be intrested in the legal challenges to the ballot , I personally know of someone in a Health Service Branch who dosnt work for the NHS but was sent ballot papers . I would think that a request / demand for proof that all those who where sent ballots still work in the NHS, rather than just belong to a NHS branch could result in the ballot itself being ruled not legal
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that would be very interesting if the ballot was shown to be illegal, with the new offer taken into account in a fresh vote the result would be very different.
i bet flashman is in a cold sweat just thinking about it?
I would expect a challenge to its legality from the NHS Employers anyway , as the BA strike was challenged routinely and given the scale of the balloting exercise it is highly likely that errors have occured somewhere in the process
