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  actually, as one who is often accused of being a left winger(especially by you roger), i have to agree with a lot of what barry has said on this thread.
  
  i will undergo counselling, of course.
  
  how many of our MP's have ever had a proper job?
  cannot argue about gwynn there, chief engineer's jobs do not come easy.
  
  a lot of higher up public sector jobs go to those that are already in the public sector and have not worked outside of it.
  
  on the radio the other day figures showed that most of the top officers in the services went to public school.
  
  we need our elected representatives to have been through the mill, both socially and in employment.
  
  how else can they speak with any conviction about the economy and society in general?

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