Keith Sansum1
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Today it was announced that since 2009 when 3.4 million were earning below the living wage, in 2013 this has risen to 4.8 million.
Hard times for employers, no wage rises, was how it was explained away on BBC today.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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keith it is the so called living wage not the minimum wage.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23953573Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Terrifying that people like Keith were councillors for 25 years, his comprehension doesn't even reach basic level.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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And the labour party ensured the poor got poorer, by opening up the door to millions of cheaper EU workers
If you want British job for British workers vote UKIP
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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"The left-of-centre Resolution Foundation said that it had used the most recent figures available, when the benchmark was calculated as £7.20 an hour outside London and £8.30 in the capital.
It found that 25% of women and 15% of men were paid below the living wage in 2012 - up from 18% and 11% in 2009.
The think tank also found that 77% of employees aged under 20, and two-thirds of restaurant and hotel workers, earned less than the living wage."
Well they would say that, wouldn't they? Defining themselves as left of centre gives them a political axe to grind so this is far from independent research.
Meaningless soundbite politics. Most under-20s in work are either students or live with mum and dad and a great number of hospitality workers are provided with accommodation. Sometimes I think the living wage is carefully calculated to generate whatever 'poverty' figure is desired. Not statistically robust, so either lies or damned lies.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Quite right Peter.
In addition, raise the nil rate threshold for tax to £13,000 and the effect would be a net income the same as would the so called 'living wage' but without losing jobs or causing problems for employers.
Of course, as I have said before - the minimum wage itself is the worse enemy of the low paid creating a low wage 'norm' in many industries and eliminating wage competition for good staff..... KeithB is also right on another negative policy that is helping keeping the low paid on low pay.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I have always wondered at the thinking.
Wages at the top need to be high to attract the right and the bright people.
But at the bottom they need to be low wages to remain competitive
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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reminds me of that old adage, pay peanuts and get monkeys.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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People desperate for a job does not make them `Monkeys`
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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that's the problem reg
keith b
your correct (post 7)
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith Bibby wrote:I have always wondered at the thinking.
Wages at the top need to be high to attract the right and the bright people.
But at the bottom they need to be low wages to remain competitive
Actually it is true at both ends of the scale..... but....
There is a problem with two things, the minimum wage and tax credits creating distortions.
Both distort the market and keep people on low pay and on a state benefits, then add to that Labour's mass low skilled immigration and you have a real problem for the low paid.
If you set a wage norm for low skilled or traditionally low paid jobs such as the hospitality industry you should not be surprised if more people get locked into that low pay.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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Without disposable income, at whatever level of wage, the economy has stiffled. If you ain't got it you can't spend it.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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that's true lesley
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