howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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sounds like another populist move to try and reverse the bad publicity over the budget, i reckon they have been following sarkozy and his use of the issue to gain popularity.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9165090/Ministers-plan-major-immigration-crackdown.htmlBrian Dixon
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sounds a bit right wing howard,could become exteame though.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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wouldn't worry too much brian, this is the same people that lets anyone into the country without enquiring who they are or where they have come from.
even if proper records were kept it would require an army of civil servants to wade through the paperwork, checking payslips etc.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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so much for cut backs then howard,it might slove the unemployment problem.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"Major immigration crackdown."
This is the beginning of the softening-up process that will culminate in (all things going to plan, that is) the renewed drive to expand our Nuclear Facilities that itself WILL require a relaxation of the of the rules on allowing 'skilled workers' into the country. The major players will demand their own native workforce.
Best, all in the retail & catering trades, brush up on your Mandarin.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Keith Sansum1
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as howard says the process is another sound bite.
walking down the folkestone road each day i see lots of adults sitting around outside homes and lots of children(who should be at school)
the dilema here is,,,,,,,, if they work people will accuse them of taking british jobs(even though often british people would prefer to draw dole its easier)
and if they dont work they are accussed of taking our benefits
so they are in a no win realy.
That said though those able to find work(and many have)sshould do so at least we get something back into the economy
and whilst the children are here they should HAVE TO attend schools
The tories(like previous govt) are going to do little to change the situation so we have to keep on lobbying, but in the meantime work with what we have got
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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most don't get up early enough to take their children to schools, hence the saying around here when the subject of late night noise arises "alright for them, they don't have to get up for work in the morning".
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I have seen many Eastern Europeans being picked up just after 06.00 going to work as a salad company,plus the London Fancy Box Company also employs quite a few Eastern Europeans as well,why because they work hard for little pay long hours and unsocial shifts.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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john
just to show even we wont always agree!!!! lol
whilst you are correct a large number go to work for kent salads etc up early in the morning, because british wont work for that pay
that said there still are a large number that don't work, and none of the kids go to school which is no good for the families/locals or as important the kids themselves
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think john is referring to young unmarried workers(poles in the main) who work in the low paid jobs.
what we see in priory area is many career spongers that openly boast about the child benefit they recieve here and in their country of origin.
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I think you are referring to travellers, Howard. At some point one has to be a little more precise in the phraseology, not.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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realy howard i pass them every day both the poles
and other nationalities
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Simple mathematics
Its not surprising Brits will not work for this pittance
Unemployment benefit £68 plus £80 rent ,plus council tax £25 =£173 per week average in benefits .
Minim wage £6.19=£247 before tax and NI
If the mass movement of labour from Easton Europe had never happened the factory's and salad farms would have had to increase wages to attract the indigenes workforce
So it's not surprising the vote collapsed for the politicians that opened the floodgates is it ?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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much as i agreed with bthose sentiments keith, successive governments have appeased businesses by supplying them with cheap imported labour with no regard to the social consequences.
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Actually, Keith, Kent's salad factories could employ Brits at £10 an hour, as could so many other minimum wage factories and farms in England.
They would need to sell their products at a slightly higher price, but that would be worth paying.
The reason being, if 5 million unemployed Brits got into work at a tenner an hour, they could afford to pay, say, 20% more for locally produced fruit, veges, and other things.
My calculation is as follows: a Kent salad costs 57p in the shop. Now take from that the shop's expenses and profit, and the cost of transport from farm to shop, the original price, say at Tilmanstone Salads, is a lot less that 57p a salad.
So if the salad factory added, for example, 30% to their price for one salad, this might translate in an overall increase of 10% of the same salad at the shop counter.
A price well worth paying if you are earning £10 an hour and not £6, or indeed just getting JSA.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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alexander;
you probably need to get real, increase of nearly £4 an hour for every employee
hardly likely to be affordable.
howard/paulb
threre now 2 keith's on here confusing me lol
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I think these companies are doing ok, they could pay better there just greedy
I see one bus company employing and importing east European labour had £173000000 profit
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i know that stagecoach in east london brought over drivers from france about 15 years ago, total disaster as none of them spoke any english.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith!
I am real! An increase of £4 an hour, as explained in my post, would mean, yes, an increase in prices of British manufactured goods coming out of minimum wage factories, but would also mean that millions of Brits would be able to afford this increase, as they'd be earning a lot more than just £6 an hour or even JSA, as so many do nowadays.