howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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23 October 2010
12:0176215#1
in town this morning i was taken aback by the lack of stalls, down by over half it seems.
i was told earlier in the week that the chamber of commerce were putting up the rents, i doubt that is the case they would have sufficient acumen to be aware of the current economic climate.
Guest 679- Registered: 7 Sep 2008
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23 October 2010
12:3676217#2
I don't think I would have fancied setting up a stall in that weather this morning either Howard....it was blowing an absolute hooley and lashing down when I woke up!
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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23 October 2010
12:5376218#3
You have not been told the truth Howard.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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23 October 2010
13:1776221#4
I carried out a survey called personal testing: I went to the market and immagined I had purchased some items I would have to buy anyway, and then looked to see if I would go to a supermarket to buy the same itesms again. I didnt, and concluded that the idea of opening more supermarkets and shops and putting up more stalls only takes the income from one set of shops and gives it to another. It doesn't create extra income for Dover.
I also concluded that the income of a shop or stall-owner goes into their own account, quite rightly, and does not effect me, as the proceeds do not get distributed among the population of Dover.
I usually go to Morrisons, Somerfields (Coop) and Icelands, and will keep to these habits! Sorry Roger and Paul Watkins!
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23 October 2010
14:1776228#5
Don't be sorry for me Alexander I prefer to give trade to local traders who pay their business rates and shop rentals 365 days, not those who come and go on market days and don't bother in adverse weather.
Watty
Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
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23 October 2010
14:2876229#6
Yes, we came out of Peter's place after lunch and found just five stalls.
All a bit sad really.
Bumped into Colin (again) tucking into his lunch! He does get about.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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23 October 2010
14:4776232#7
I was doing a post on this and the power went off.
Anyway back on, I do think there is room for both but would like to see the coved Market back open that way we would have the best of both worlds, Mr Watkins does have a very good point in what he is saying.My family own shops over at St Margarets Bay they do not run them just own them. St Margarets does like most parish,s have a monthly Market held in the parish hall and that helps in two ways (1) They pay for their stall and that helps the parish funds,also you get public coming from outside and some of them also go round the few outlets there are and the eating ones to.And I think all the shops are now taken up.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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23 October 2010
16:0876241#8
The market certainly has thinned out since it started, I also noted this morning how empty it was but the weather wasn`t cold, just seasonal. As PaulW says above, they should come out in all weather`s if they`re coming out at all that is. Terry, nice to see you this morning mate, and it`s the saveloys I head to Castle street for. He`s a pleasant chap in that chip shop and so are his staff. I`d been wandering along there since 8 this morning to get an exclusive picture of you delivering your decrepit Black and Decker Workmate. Joking of course, in case someone thinks I`m a sad case. I did have one quick pint in The White Horse afterwards and say hello to Jeanette as I haven`t been in there for over a week.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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24 October 2010
07:5876342#9
Talking to the business/shop owners (still), they want the market to carry on and grow as it did (certainly not this week though) bring people down to the market Square/Cannon Street area.
The market stall-holders were definitely NOT happy with Cameron and didn't like what he kept telling them; hopefully, now he is not with the Chamber any more, that antagonism has gone.
Barry, if what Howard said is not true, why don't you tell people what is true; I came up with the market idea, before I was DBS Manager and my vision/view was that 30 to 40 stalls could be accommodated in and around the Market Square, Cannon Street and if enough stalls, Biggin Street.
Good quality stalls too, having green and white striped covers and similar sizes. Stalls selling things (as much as possible) that are not available in the shops - don't forget that some shops already put their goods out on the pavement so are like a market stall anyway.
I had secured funding for marketing the market; money from Town, District and County Councils. This money would have paid for the advertising and brought more stall-holders and more people into the Town and so increase shops' takings too.
In my view (and if I'm wrong Barry, please tell me) the Chamber of Commerce do not have a clue about running a market and yesterday's effort showed how true that is.
People will put up their stall in any weather (it had stopped raining by about 8 am) if they think it will be worth it - obviously from yesterday's showing, they didn't think it was worth getting out of bed for.
Decline, like success, breeds more of the same, I hope someone from the Chamber will work to help the market grow and work to help the Town, otherwise the whole initiative will have been a waste of time - and money.
Roger
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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24 October 2010
08:0776343#10
Just a quck aside, I had a power cut yesterday, like vic, did anyone else?
On the market, I would like to see a big market lot's of stalls, other towns/cities appear to have the mix of a big market and shops and works well.
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Guest 702- Registered: 9 Jul 2010
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24 October 2010
14:3076381#11
Keith. Might have had a power cut in River yesterday as I noticed the clock on my 'phone was wrong.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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24 October 2010
14:3276384#12
roger
you are right, in my experience stall holders will turn out in all weathers if they are going to make a good living.
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24 October 2010
14:4276387#13
Roger, whilst you and I are mates, I have to say that Deal market dies on a Saturday [i.e. lack of traders] when the weather changes.
That is personal research from Sat. morning dog walking.
Watty
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24 October 2010
15:3576398#14
I'd pose a question here: seeing that Morrisions is up and running - I also go there - (by the way it means I buy less at Iceland and Somerfield), and seeing that the market stalls are up and standing on a Saturday, and that several new newsagencies have opened in Dover recently, does this mean that the Council has finally given up the idea of opening a bazar in DTIZ? If it does, then I'd call it a wise decision.
24 October 2010
17:1776433#15
In sunny St Rads we had two power surges yesterday
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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24 October 2010
17:2176435#16
talking to one of the co-owners of the fruit and veg stall,she was saying that six of them where struggerling at 6 am to put there stall up,with some of the signs blowing away so what chance did the others have of setting up an hour or two later.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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24 October 2010
19:2076469#17
If you are right Paul(W) then if the weather is good next Saturday, they'll be back - hopefully.
I'm sure (almost) everyone wants the market to succeed; perhaps a way of enticing them here every week, is to offer a discount on a year's rent.
Roger
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24 October 2010
19:3076470#18
Roger can we give shop keepers UBR discounts when it rains?
Watty
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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24 October 2010
19:3976471#19
No of course not Paul, but the market traders only pay when they turn up and the shop-keepers have told me they want the market to stay and grow; I was just thinking of ways to encourage them to come here whatever the weather.
I understand there may be licensing costs invoked sometime in the future for market stalls, but it may not fall on the stall-holders, but the people who organise the market - like the Chamber of Commerce; that won't go down well I'm sure.
Roger
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25 October 2010
16:2476572#20
Do they actually make a profit when they've paid the rent? Somehow I think some of them compete with Peacocks, who have a large variety of clothes. But there might be something to it that they attract customers from Dorothy Perkins. Or vice versa.
