Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#1
Information getting through suggests that the war in Libya is taking a horrible turn for PM Dave, who must be spending sleepless night now.
The Colonel has raised an army that, according to reports, counts about 10,000 Tuareg, to join his forces. Tuareg are reputed to be the best desert fighters in the world. They live in Libya, Mali, Algeria and Niger. These Tuareg are as one people, so borders of countries do not prevent them from joining together if one section of their people are at war, as is the case in Libya: they tend to get together. They have stated that the rebels in Libya are their enemies.
Reprots suggest that 1,500 Afghan mercenaries are among the rebels, as well as units of some international security firms.
The rebels have given up attacking Bani Walid, and are probably losing many more men then they admit at Bani Walid, Sirte and Sabha, which they only claim to control.
It is unclear whether Brega and Ras Lanuf (two important oil-facility towns) and Gedarmes are still under rebel control, or have been recaptured by the Colonel's forces in recent days.
Reports suggest that fighting is breaking out in Tripoli and Benghazi, even Misrata and some other large cities, with green flags flying from houses in some areas. Green flags are in support of the Jamahiriah, the Libyan State that recognises Colonel Ghedaffi.
Reports suggest that various tribes in Libya have risen up against the rebels, and are attacking their convoys that travel to the besieged cities of Ban Walid and Sirte, causing the rebels who are besieging them to run low on ammunition.
There are reports of thousands of looted SAM anti aircraft missiles in the hands of various rebel factions, including Al Quaeda groups.
There are reports of rebel factions showing distrust and hatred towards each other, and hording weapons for themselves.
There is no agreement on the part of the NTC (National Transition Council) to form a government.
There are numerous reports of civilians being killed by Nato missiles and by NTC indisciminate shelling of Libyan cities, in particular Sirte.
There are many reports of people in besieged cities, namely Sirte and Bani Walid, running out of food, medicine and water, while NATO planes bombard them.
There is ever increasing outcry against rebels using rape and murder as a weapon, with internatonal organisations and the media not doing anything to report it.
I can't see Dave and Hague holding out for long.
Keith Sansum1
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#2
lots of information there
anyone else have an alternative view?
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Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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#3
I understand a Mr. M. Gaddafi has a few things he would like to say but he can't get to a keyboard right now.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#4
things ar not looking very promising there, the whole issue was always very tribal - difficult to see how they can form a government acceptable to everyone.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#5
"Since the beginning of the conflict, civil Tuareg Libyans have seen the fighting take a heavy toll within their communities. In the south, many were enrolled to participate in pro Kaddafi demonstrations and found themselves parachuted on the front lines of the conflict.
Since March 2011 and before NATO's interventions, many military Tuaregs who refused to participate in repression operations were executed by army officials. Over a thousand military Tuareg loyalists have died since the bombing of NATO and during the battle of Misrata.
At the same time, several isolated Tuareg groups have tempted to join the rebellion, despite the communication difficulties. Collaboration succeeded between the rebels and Libyan Tuareg groups during the battles of Zenten, Nalut near the Tunisian border and Nefussa. "
From...
http://touareg-jeunesse.blogspot.com/2011/08/easthe-tuareg-coordination-of-libya.htmlIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#6
So Alex, I can never figure out why you are so pro that monster Gaddafi.
What is the source of your information? Gaddifi's propaganda chief perhaps?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#7
Barry, it is not a case of being pro the Colonel, but of analysing many different reports coming through, some of which are from American security services, such as the SAM missiles gone missing, which is creating much concern among security chiefs, as too are the reports that extremist groups might have access to these missiles.
Another source of information regards the lack of clean drinking water in Sirte, and people, including children, becoming ill because of it, and the lack of food in the same besieged city, is from UN officials.
Other sources of information are from people fleeing Sirte, who also say that civilians have been killed in missile attacks and the shelling.
The constant atacks of the rebels from all sides make it impossible for them to flee during the battles, so they can only leave when there is a lull in the fighting.
Another source is a Ukranin nurse in Sirte, who says that medicines are there, but not enough staff to treat the afflicted, because of the siege and the battles, and that there is lack of clean water for the ill people. There is also mention of no electricity.
At this note, it would seem to me that the TNC who are besieging Sirte have turned the fresh water and electricity supplies off. Is this not a crime against humanity???
Other sources are those reported by Sky and BBC, and also the Jamahiriya news, and many independent sources.
An all-round analysis on my part.
Some reports, from different sources, state conflicting details, but seem to indicate that something is happening that the media doesn't report.
For examle, the Jamahiriya news states that in Tripoli, the rebels are being shot at, and many kidnapped, by people fed up with them and by the pro-Colonel resistance.
However, another report suggests that different rebel factions are kidnapping each-others members, or shooting at each other.
Other sources state that the TNC has repeatedly asked rebels from many different areas of Libya to now leave Tripoli. They must be referring to factions that are not in the official NTC army but who are organised in independent groups.
So, all in all, there is quite something going on, and it looks like a tinder-box.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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#8
Before the invasion of Iraq they had a Christian foreign minister and a high proportion of women in full time education. Now they have religious extremism and very few women in education. Maybe a better (perhaps slower and less jingoistic) solution could have been found.
In Libya the Muslim extremists are already stating that they will not work with a secular government. So much for winning a rebels war for them.
No one defends the actions of Sadam or the Colonel but is destabilising a whole country the solution. It has never worked in modern times and yet nobody seems to learn from other mistakes.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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no wonder we are referred to as the crusaders by many muslims around the world.
where before we used to force christianity on them, now we thrust western democracy on them.
where will it end, probably getting them to eat bacon sandwiches and nipping down to the pub for a swift half?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#10
Blakes of Benghazi has a good ring to it....
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Ross Miller
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#11
This like so much in the world is down the the american belief in the concept of the city upon a hill
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#12
Worth noting that according to Sky News today, the rebels, albeit the new army of the recently installed NTC, are not letting food and medicines in to Sirte, and that the sewage and electricity systems in the city are not working.
I still don't know who turned the supply of fresh water off to that city, and who turned off the other above mentioned services, and who has given the order not to allow food and medicines in.
Whoever is responsible, should be ready for incriminations for crimes against humanity, methinks!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#13
That could mean ending up in the Hague!
