Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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24 November 2010
21:3881518...in the European Parliament.
As you know I am fiercely anti-EU but it does not do the British case in the EU any good at all for its elected representatives to behave in this way. It is appalling and Godfrey Bloom MEP should be ashamed of himself, be man enough to apologise, or better still to resign his seat.
If this man's behaviour is reprentative of UKIP then they are unfit for any public office.
See this.
http://playpolitical.typepad.com/other_uk_parties/2010/11/ukip-mep-making-nazi-salute-expelled-from-european-parliament-after-shouting-ein-volk-ein-reich-ein-.html
Incidentally - the extreme Eurofile views of the German Socialist MEP who was verbally abused by this are no excuse.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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24 November 2010
21:4581519I do not agree with you on that BARRY WE DID NOT HEAR all what was said,and you can not say after just hearing part of it.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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24 November 2010
21:5281522I heard enough Vic - disgracefully insulting behaviour for anyone representing this country. He shamed us all and UKIP in particular.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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24 November 2010
21:5481523Not so disgracefull as the MPs taking out more of our money with the expenss .I think that is the end of that then.
24 November 2010
21:5981525There are better ways of raising that as an issue, Vic. BarryW is right - unnecessarily discourteous and inflammatory.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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24 November 2010
22:0381527Having jsut seen the video and read the BBC presentation of the facts which are edited with the video replay, Barry, it seems you are trying to declassify UKIP.
One man's reaction to repeated insults to UKIP was seen and heard, and also his statement: he stated that the eu parliament lets insults pass when directed at eu MEPS or other eurosceptic MEPS (I saw the banner of the Lega Nord from Italy there and assume they are also eurosceptics), but then applies the official rules of their parliament if an insulted MEP gives a similar statement to the author of such insults. In fact, Mr. Bloom and Mr. Farage both pointed out in the eu parliament that the German MEP who received the offence from the UKIP MEP Mr. Bloom has himself continually insulted UKIP and other eurosceptic MEPS and never been reproved for it.
And so now you want to make hay out of it Barry, and suggest to all forumites that because I am a UKIP member, and Vic too, and others also, we are all unfit to for any public office!
And all for one man's reactions to repeated insults against himself and his fellow eurosceptic MEPS!
Different people can react in different way to insults, Barry.
Do you want the other cheek too. Alright!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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24 November 2010
22:1081528blue barry is right here the rant was appalling, i think this man stood in the recent leadership election of his party.
ukip made a good choice in rejecting him.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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24 November 2010
22:1481531He is not right in suggesting that all UKIP members are unfit for public office! This is the point I am making here.
Ross Miller
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24 November 2010
22:2181534Mr Bloom or should it be Buffoon - is a prize idiot, knock about politics and standard parliamentary insults are one thing using the "N" word on mainland Europe is something else entirely.
Of course not all UKIP members are unfit for office, it would be the same as saying all Tories or Labour MPs are unfit for office because a few of them stuffed their snouts in the trough
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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24 November 2010
22:3081536I love the quotes at the end of your postings Ross.I found those words very comforting as i did Paul W pictures .Every so often one needs to reflect .I shall think of Roger Frayne tomorrow .Im going to a coffee morning in Temple Ewell the ward he represented so well.I will not be at DTCoffice .I will reflect at home .
Paul B It would be lovely if you put that picture up of myself with Roger and Roger .A lovely picture with two handsome men .
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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24 November 2010
22:3281537Quite right Ross.
Read my comment properly Alexander - I said IF he was representative of UKIP......
The way UKIP supporters so far are failing to condemn him suggests though, that he might be representative. Of course the two posting cannot necessarily be said to be fully representative. We shall see and maybe, after a little thought, a little realisation that certain behaviour is wrong in an elected figure might change their minds.
If a Conservative MEP behaved that way then I am sure DC would rightly condemn him, probably kick him out of the Party too. What will UKIP do I wonder?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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24 November 2010
22:3781539Barry, UKIP know how to behave, we don't need your counsels!
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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24 November 2010
22:3981540Thank you Sue - they are 2 of the quotes I chose for the order of service for my partners funeral
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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24 November 2010
22:3981541Look at the evidence before you. Stop digging Alexander and stop defending the undefendable. You are doing UKIP a disservice the more you defend that man.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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24 November 2010
22:4381543excellent post susan.
i hope that paul will dig deep for the photo and delete my rather crude comment made at the time.
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24 November 2010
22:5081545Barry, I strontgly reject your comment! I have not defended the reactions of one man towards another man who himself has insulted others in a similar way!
Do not try to ram words into my mouth Barry! You have tried to declassify UKIP, and your 'if' is no more than a feeble word to try to hide an attempt to present on the Forum all UKIP members of this Forum as unfit to represent public office.
Vic, who is standing as candidate for the County, has not insulted the Germans in any way, and what you are up to to discredit me personally, in post 14, knowing that I have stated that I will campaign for May, can only be rejected by me!
24 November 2010
23:3681551Barry,
You really are becoming rather sniffy about what?? A UKIP member doing the job that European conservatives should be doing?? Okay perhaps his behaviour may leave a lot to be desired ,but in the face of no effort by your party to fight the British corner what do you expect when frustration becomes the order of the day. I note that the German chairman said that any disorder will be punished by removal of the offender. So in view of that statement, can we assume that any opinions expressed by a British member that would appear to upset our German brothers that British member will be removed???
Have to say in reality I think all the British members are failing in there duty toward the British public by there acquiesce in this european chatter shop.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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25 November 2010
05:2381556Barry,I did point out that we did not see it all, unless I do then I can not comment on it,but what i will do next time I am talking to Mr Farage which will be in aday or two,I will put it to him,because as we see in that report he was there to.I will put on the forum what he tells me.Till then as Chairman of UKIP in Dover i have nothing to say.
25 November 2010
07:1381559Not a good response Vic!
I think a mountain has been made out of a molehill here - a man was discourteous and offensive in public office. He's not the first and he won't be the last. He has no defence, but some have tried to create one. And poor political responses have been made. Move along now folks, there's nothing to see here........
Ross, you are a source of inspiration. Thank you.
Brian Dixon
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25 November 2010
08:4081569what the man said is niether right or wrong,but would like to see an unedited version of the clip.
but must add that he would make a wonderfull tory mep.