howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 1621- Registered: 17 Dec 2015
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I have read of increases of sexual attacks in various nations currently accepting refugees. If two cultures are that different, you have to wonder why this education is voluntary, and more to the point, why the refugees are travelling to such far and incompatible countries. There is apparently an empty refugee camp in Saudi Arabia, with air conditioning, that will shelter 100,000 people.
"All is flux, nothing stays still." - Heraclitus of Ephesus
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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First I have never heard of that camp, up until now the wealthy gulf states have been taking in Syrians fleeing the war as workers rather than refugees. Getting back to the article the Eritrean bloke summed it up with his view that he was entitled to take a woman and do what he liked with her. Reports from Sweden indicate that many of their incomers are of the same view but the country is too liberal to admit it openly.
Jan Higgins
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I had not heard about that camp either.
Many "backward" countries, sorry I can't think of a more appropriate word, treat women as almost non persons they are around simply for male usage in whatever form it may take. A shining example being the numerous rapes in India that have made our news recently.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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India indeed a great new economic powerhouse with its own space programme and a massively expanding well educated middle class.
The other side of the coin is casual acceptance of rape, I remember one case where a gang set upon a young couple coming from the cinema the boyfriend beaten senseless and the girl raped repeatedly. One of the gang members agreed to be interviewed on death row and genuinely thought he had done nothing wrong as the victim should not have been out after dark!!
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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Jan Higgins wrote:I had not heard about that camp either.
Azraq refugee camp.
According to this article Britain has spent something like £342 million on this camp, of the £1.1billion of the foreign aid budget spent on the Syrian crisis.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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In summing up a third of taxpayers money has been spent so that politicians can sound holier than thou but in reality very few are benefiting from the camp, in fact most see it as a punishment to be sent there.
Guest 1621- Registered: 17 Dec 2015
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I have to admit that after due diligence, the camp I posted pictures of is not Azraq, and is not exactly a refugee camp. The tents are located in the city of Mina, and are only used for 5 days of the year by Hajj pilgrims. In fact, it is claimed that there are 100,000 tents and room for 3 million people.
I agree that many of these countries are living in the past and it is yet another cost to our societies if we are to integrate many more people from such different cultures. I think it can be difficult to deal with people who believe absolutely (sometimes mistakenly) in the texts of an ancient book, but for those calling for their own laws to be adopted by the host nation is intolerable.
"All is flux, nothing stays still." - Heraclitus of Ephesus
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I agree it should be intolerable
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Unfortunately it seems many politically correct do-gooders seem to think we should change some of our ways rather than immigrants changing their ways to fit in with our long established way of behaviour and thinking.
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Guest 1621- Registered: 17 Dec 2015
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I'm sure you realise people will be wary of agreeing with us Jan, because they've been programmed that to believe and say such things are not just politically incorrect but almost criminal. What society suffers from now is a form of fascism, which in effect eliminates the freedom of speech we once enjoyed.
To some people, anything foreign, even unprogressive religions, are revered in the same way as a religious person exalts his holy book or deity. These people cannot understand why anyone would take a disliking to immigration and they find it deeply insulting that their love of foreignness and immigration isn't shared by all. A tactic is to identify misgivings as impure and immoral - therefore insults, such as "far right", "racist", "xenophobic", etc are applied to ordinary and otherwise liberal-minded people.
"All is flux, nothing stays still." - Heraclitus of Ephesus
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The problem with the immigration debate is that there has never been one, we have the far left that think all migrants/refugees are thoroughly good eggs whilst the far right hate all of them and would like to send back those already here. The Labour party lost power in 2010 because of their policy of letting in mostly low skilled people from Eastern Europe thus bringing wages down and putting pressure on services in mostly poor areas. Lessons have not been learned as many in our local party are actively campaigning for "no borders" whatsoever. That is the most absurd notion that I know of as the entire world would have to join in to make it happen - North Korea?
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Foreigners have to accept our way of life before they can gradually slip in the many good things about their own cultures, as have all the past immigrants we have absorbed.
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Brian Dixon
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Ross Miller
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The pictures at the top are of the Hadj pilgrims accommodation in Mina - it is NOT a refugee camp.
Perhaps it could be used as such, but that is not what it was built for or used for...
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 1621- Registered: 17 Dec 2015
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Ross Miller wrote:The pictures at the top are of the Hadj pilgrims accommodation in Mina - it is NOT a refugee camp.
Perhaps it could be used as such, but that is not what it was built for or used for...
Please see post #8.
"All is flux, nothing stays still." - Heraclitus of Ephesus
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Azraq is in Jordan
Mina is in Saudi
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
"All is flux, nothing stays still." - Heraclitus of Ephesus
