howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 February 2011
13:5791823#1
m.p's are set to vote in the commons over whether 28,000 prisoners serving 4 years or less should have the chance to put an 'x' on a ballot paper, i don't know whether that covers those originally sentenced to that term or with that time left to serve at an election.
it seems that 90% of our honourable members are likely to vote against it, meaning a lot of problems. our noble legal profession is salivating over the prospect of lining their pockets, our masters in europe have decreed that we have to do so or face large fines.
the likelihood is that each prisoner denied will receive £.750. 00 but the legal costs would run into mllions.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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7 February 2011
14:1691824#2
We should withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights as it is well passed its sell-by-date and has become a farce over issues like this.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 February 2011
16:2791831#3
will be interesting to see how the coalition ministers vote on this, the rank and file of all parties are against it.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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7 February 2011
17:0591833#4
Ministers have, I understand, been given leave to abstain. Clearly voting against a government bill would not be allowed for members of the government. Remember - this vote has been forced by the European Court and the government is trying to avoid successful law suits.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 February 2011
17:2091836#5
not mch chance of the government dodging this one barry, the m.p's are not going to back down on this one.
sometimes principals have to come first.
Brian Dixon
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7 February 2011
17:2391837#6
so our very own mr grumpy eurosceptic has spoken,so barry havent we got any human rights then.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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7 February 2011
17:3191840#7
No-one is talking about the government 'dodging' it. this is all quite above board and a free vote is provided and Ministers are allowed to abstain rather than be forced to vote for it. A defence is being lined up for the Court over the sovereignty of Parliament for which the government has had to put forward a bill to allow a vote.
Brian - you seem confused, this is nothing to do with the EU or 'eurosceptisism' at all but the Court of Human Rights which is linked to the European Convention.
Are you happy for European judges to override our elected parliament?
Are you happy about all the odd and perverse decisions they have made including this one on prisoners voting?
Do you not realise that we had 'Human Rights' long before the Convention, let alone the dreadful HRA?
Getting out of these do not diminish our real and more important rights, unless you are a criminal of course...
In case you did not know the European Convention was a post-war response the the Nazis and it was never envisaged that it would be farcically interpreted the way it is now.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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7 February 2011
17:3591844#8
barry,i am quite happy, actuly very happy with the court of human rights.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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8 February 2011
08:1191907#9
Then words fail me Brian.
I'm not going to be personal, but to continue to agree to the current set-up - rights without responsibilities, is an abdication our repsonsibility and harms victims and the innocent.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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8 February 2011
09:4291926#10
roger,are you forgetting how to work the system.all things work in your faver if you know how to.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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8 February 2011
11:0591934#11
not in this case brian, once a decision i made from on high, there is little chance of recourse.
peronally speaking, a bill of rights in each country tailored to their own traditions would be more appropriate.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#12
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#13
With a growing list of Institutions
being opened to enquiries
on matters of improper relations
and/or financial improprieties
facts admit to little or no mystery
concerning the quick decisions
emanating from the Ministry
to allow for voting in our prisons
be it Volte Face or ordinary turn-a-bout
it's the right course, and you can bet
all is certain where there is no doubt
they need every vote that they can get
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#14
Wrong Howard - the Grauniad usually is. #12
Quite rightly Cameron said today they will not get voting rights from this government.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#15
not just the grauniad barry, the telegraph hints at a fudge where there would not be a blanket ban. the attorny general warns
that we could be expelled from the council of europe if we don't play ball.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#16
Good - lets quit the Council of Europe. We have nothing to be ashamed of.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#17
better hang your head low barry,then prey for forgiveness.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#18
We have Cameron in the House of Commons playing to ``one gallery``with his smart arse one liners ....the `right wingers`
then he sticks two fingers up to them behind closed doors.........it will end in tears.....
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#19
They will all be voting bloody liberal so they can get better softer treatment.
Keith Sansum1
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#20
Only these issues will come out when they can be highlighted
but the act has helped many
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