Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Immigration
I have been following the debate in parliament on the
www.theyworkforyou.com website, Nicholas Soames and Frank Field
It Calls on the Government to take all necessary steps to reduce immigration to a level that will stabilise the UK's population at close as possible to its present level and, certainly, significantly below 70 million.
Nearly all members of labour and liberals seems to be opposing this bill
I wonder, what these mps will be telling the electorate on the door steps,
Come election time .
I think if the public new what these mp had to say in parliament on this subject ,non of them would get elected
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I think that immigration (off all kinds) has put such a strain on the country in so many ways: social, health, welfare, housing, education, social services etc. etc.
If we are going to let people from overseas come here to live, at least make sure they are going to be useful to us as well as beneficial them.
There are many areas where we just couldn't function without qualified overseas people, but anyone being allowed to come here should first of all be able to speak English, they should also have a job to come to and find a place to live (renting or buying) and be able to support themselves and their family; anything less than that, will excacerbate an already overloaded country.
Roger
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Most people who come to live in Britain, Roger, do speak English (enough to get through), do already have a job to come to and do find a place to live.
I don't know of one area where we could not function without qualified oversees people.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I wouldn't have said most have those qualities Alexander, certainly not in Dover and I'm sure in many parts of Britain too.
Roger
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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However, most people coming to work in Britain, Roger, do already have a job, as they are recruited via work-agency through internet.
And having a job enables them to rent a house without any need for a guarantor, usually sharing the accommodation so as to reduce the costs.
I still can't think of any sector of the economy which wouldn't function without qualified oversees people, rack my brains as I may.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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we will(and always have)had immigratrion, there are a number who don't have jobs and can be seen in and around the folkestone road throughout the whole day so don't work.
of course as alexander there are a number who also do work but of course we did have some strange arguments such as these when all this started.
when people came from abroad in fear of there lives, locals were heard saying, it's terrible they come over here and take our social security(never proven)
then when a number got employment locals arguments changed from taking our benefits to,,,,,you guessed it, they are now taking our jobs.
so they were in a no win situation.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Not exactly, Keith.
People coming from EU countries are not in fear of their lives, they aren't seeking asylum, so the one situation (seeking asylum) has nothing to do with the other (seeking work).
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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the question to me is of over population rather than immigration, if the same number of our people left as those coming in then public services could cope.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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thats happining now howard,the uk is a hub,people come people go.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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no brian the population has been rising steadily for years and present forecasts predict even further growth.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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70 million, Brian. Then 80 million
London would have to expand into the Thames and as far as the Goodwin Sands just to keep pace over the next 20 years.
Our train station would become London Priory, and we'd be travelling by tube train from Dover to Oxford without ever leaving London...
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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and bang goes the theroy,
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I think the biggest problem with mass immigration, is it affects some people, more than others,
If you are in the lower wage bracket, the impact on you is more drastic.
You're more likely to be living in the cheaper parts of town,
To suddenly find your self competing with immigrants for accommodation and the lower paid jobs is not good.
The middle and upper earners tend to do better, protected wage rates and conditions,
And there living in neighbourhoods that are out of reach, of the mostly poorer immigrants.
Unless of course you happen to be living around the corner from Folkestone road ,that is.
As the labour party has been changed, probably because of the type of membership it now attracts to today.
The labour party has become the party less likely to represent the traditional ordinary working class man in the street.
In fact there more likely to be public sector unionised protected good earners,
Benefitting from all the cheep workers.
When Margaret Thatcher was asked, what was her greatest achievement?
She replied new labour. What do you think she was thinking?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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i would agree with most of that keith, just to add that it is not just those on the bottom of the pay structure that have been hit.
middle earners like plumbers, electricians and other tradesman have been undercut by incomers, although why anybody would employ anyone not affiliated to a trade body or at least recommended by someone is a mystery to me.
party loyalties have changed, many of the dinner party set are red supporters and many "working class" people are true blues, who can forget alf garnett?