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  Mark - what I said about DT were in respect of his comments and not him.
  
  The reason people may be locked in to poverty is because of the benefit system that discourages work. Thankfully IDS is looking to deal with that problem.
  
  Work is a way out of poverty alongside saving. People make choices in life and that is the greatest determinant of how well off they are.
  
  Class and wealth obsessed socialist with their re-distributive policies always run the risk of increasing poverty if they take their obsession too far. The last government went far too far as Labour governments always end up doing. I am not saying dont help people, far from it. I want all to have opportunities, get up off their backsides and become more wealthy and I am certainly not against public policy supporting that.
  
  The big problem with your thinking on this is that you inevitably kill the goose that lays the golden egg. If you want better public services and help to the less well off you first of all have to make sure that the wealth is created in the first place to generate the tax revenues. The burdens Labour governments place on businesses and the economy damage their ability to grow, compete in the world and generate the profits needed along with the jobs that also provide tax revenues and relieve the burden of social security.
  
  I am not saying that all socialists are stupid (you and DT for instance certainly are not) but I am amazed at how you cannot grasp what to me is a simple concept. Prejudice combined with compassion is perhaps a dangerous combination that blots out common sense.

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