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    tom
    660 votes compared to 25,000 the winner got is a fair dfference

    so it was a poor result for vic and he admitted so.


    howard;
    you will note if you read my posts that i don't attack vic, i have tried to advise him face to face, on here, or any other oppo-rtunity,

    vic in a council chamber would liven things up, but i suspect achieve little.
    you only have to oook sat his outburst at the end of the Town hall meeting to see that.

    Vic will always be vic, and i applaud him for sticking at, but just look at tyhe other end of the coin.

    Philip king the ex leader of lib dems on DDC stood i think 8 times in a then safe tory seat, each time eroding the tory vote, until he actually won the seat, he did that by quietly working with his community.
    he then added 8 other lib dems.

    But since his departure the lib dems(even before the last gen election)went into meltdown in the district and went down to 2 cllrs and only one those 2 seats in whitfield through very dubious leaflets in whitfield.

    the lib dems were always very good at community politics, but they appear to have lost that, we now have a long list of protest parties including ukip
    all will affect outcomes in elections, but few (if any)winning seats

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