Keith Sansum1
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#1
Just watched a programme on the tragic events of the football match all those years ago
What was most interesting was the upbeat way the families of the 96 families kept up the fight against far bigger organisations such as the press, coroner at the time, and of course the South Yorkshire Police who were found to have lied, changed statements to try to blame the football fans.
The families have continued since the 80's to try to get justice more recently the got the result they wanted where it was found the chief constable had he not resigned would have had a case to answer.
There was some sad cases told during the programme, but most important was the theme running through the programme that the police whom we look to a a voice of authority, had actually tried to cover up what had gone on.
This is a sad day and this will have done the police no good at all.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#2
Institutional corruption in the police has for decades been a major threat to society. But nobody dares to speak out. I wonder why.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#3
Inspector...I play golf with the Chief Constable !........with a little help from secret groups....we need whistle blowers.....
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#4
Reg
I applaud the ideas you raise, but sadly in the real world to be a whistleblower you need protection
and and at this time this is not in place.
Many have taken this route only to be hounded out of the jobs at a later stage.
With regard to South yorkshire police, yes sadly it sounds like a big cover up/freemasonary?
Without doubt the police need to be accountable to the public
The South Yorkshire police have seriously tarnished the reputation of the police everywhere
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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#5
Followed by the Orgreave Inquiry, looking into police brutality and illegal arrests throughout the UK during the strike.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#6
Garyc
I welcome your follow up, and support that view, but maybe thats part of another thread which could develope
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Brian Dixon
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#7
yep tragic.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#8
And there will be reprocussions for a lot of police decisions
which will weaken the already weak legal system
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#9
the police have to be held to account of course but some liverpool fans were responsible for what happened on the day. in the era of terraces all tickets for semi finals and finals were clearly marked that the bearer has to be in the ground one hour before kick off to ensure that the stewards could pack people in properly.
on that day many supporters rolled out of the pub next to the ground and forced their way in causing impossible congestion. i have seen this myself at semi finals i have attended at Villa Park. It is totally frightening and the minority of fans that did this meant that terraces were closed and football made unaffordable to many since then.
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#10
Keith.
With respect.
I totally agree that the two incidents themselves were very much unconnected and cannot be viewed in the same context.
However the policing of both the Miners' Strike and of the Hillsborough Tragedy, do make a conection.
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SWWood- Location: Dover
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#11
howard mcsweeney1 wrote:the police have to be held to account of course but some liverpool fans were responsible for what happened on the day. in the era of terraces all tickets for semi finals and finals were clearly marked that the bearer has to be in the ground one hour before kick off to ensure that the stewards could pack people in properly.
on that day many supporters rolled out of the pub next to the ground and forced their way in causing impossible congestion. i have seen this myself at semi finals i have attended at Villa Park. It is totally frightening and the minority of fans that did this meant that terraces were closed and football made unaffordable to many since then.
I assume you can back this up, because the
Hillsborough Independent Panel found otherwise. Even Lord Justice Taylor stated that fan behaviour played no part in the disaster.
Hillsborough was a disaster waiting to happen. There had been problems previously at the Leppings Lane End, and Hillsborough itself had no valid safety certificate. I have read comments elsewhere from fans who had visited that ground, on other occasions, who say that they were not surprised by the disaster at all.
It is really disappointing that, despite all the enquiries, people still claim that drunken, ticketless Liverpool fans were to blame. There really is no defending that position any more.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#12
i see no mention of drunken ticketless liverpool fans in my post.
on the day it happened bbc 1 grandstand cameras were focused on one of the entrances where it was clear that serious problems were happening because people were entering the ground close to kick off time pushing their way in whilst spectators
already in were pushing back indignantly.
i witnessed exactly the same at 2 villa park cup semi finals prior to the hillsborough disaster.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#13
howard
just to say the enquiry findings were that the police had a case to answer and the blame on liverpool fans not being correct
it appears the police made grave errors and then tried to cover up there mistakes
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