Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Just received this:
"High truancy rates leave UK pupils lagging
High truancy rates in British schools are leaving pupils lagging behind their peers in top-performing nations across Europe and the Far East, according to research by the OECD. The study showed that 18% of pupils sitting a new test had "skipped a day of school in the two weeks" prior to the exam. This compares with an average of 14.5% across all developed nations. Elizabeth Truss, the Schools Minister, said: "This analysis by the OECD further underlines the very real consequences of missing school - and shows we are right to crack down on pupil absence from school."
I agree there should be a crackdown, but we should also be talking to the kids to find out why they are bunking off school. No wonder many of them don't have a future.
Roger
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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Even worse Roger, many pupils have perfected the art of getting themselves excluded on a regular basis. How this counter productive practice has evolved is a scandal. There should be an alternative "classroom" on every school site for disruptive children, staffed by exceptional individuals who can enforce discpline and encourage learning.
The answer to bad behaviour cannot be to turn your back and expect someone else to deal with the problem.
Keith Sansum1
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On Truancy I think you do need to get behind why this happens
often getting children ONSIDE/Listened to can be half the battle
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Thanks Lesley; why do they think it's clever not to want an education ? I agree it's no good just saying "your excluded", that then creats a serious problem for that child and society in general, later on. It certainly isn't clever.
I agree Keith - we have to be interested enough in the children to ask first and then listen to what they say.
Roger
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And prosecute the parents. The laws exist but are seldom applied.
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Its very quick to blame Parents for failures, which in many might be correct. But also schools doing things wrong and get away with it. Which I think should also be taking into consideration. Its all one sided to me.
The way schooling is now, I really dont agree with. If there are lessons Pupils should be in them and not hopping around on stair cases and chasing others. How productive is that? ( Iam talking primary school here)
Also I find (many wont agree with me ) Teachers arent Teachers as they used to be. They rely on their Teaching Assistants far to much.
When I was at school, we had one Teacher teaching 28 to 30 children and it worked...When we had someone disruptive, he or she was seen by the Headmaster, back then was a "very big" thing. Now Kids they dont care.
I also find that many schools dont have a set structure for every Day or Season. Curriculums are different in all Areas. Think this is a Issue in itself too.
This is just my point of observation I have had over the years and years to come.
I am not criticising it and not blaming every single school. But i do believe with a stronger Education force (like Australia, Scandinavia) english schools have more success.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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yes Heike I have to agree in my employment and as a Cllr I had monthly visits to local schools and saw the good and not so good teachers, also good pupils and not so good, and how they were dealt with.
There has to be some kind of control within the schools, at the moment schools still fear the compensation culture.
Of course there are also bad parents, but getting behind that, and why is the challenge.
The bigger picture needs to be looked at, before knee jerk decisions
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I don't know how old you are Heike, but when I was at school (cue for a Monty Python sketch ?), there used to be corporal punishment (cane or slipper) for naughty boys and it did keep most of them on the straight and narrow as far as school was concerned.
It never entered our heads to play truant.
Nowadays there is no such punishment, or even encouragement to attend school. Many parents don't care and sadly, it seems to be the least educated parents, who don't seem to care about their children's education. Punish the parents by all means, but if punishment means taking money from them in fines and they are already on benefit or receiving working tax credit, they won't have any money to pay that fine, so won't change their negative attitude towards their kids.
I doubt if the schools are particularly to blame, unless bullying is going on and they know about it, but are ignoring it.
Roger
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Roger
a fair post, but maybe look further into what you have posted,
Although corporal punishment was in place, you have to have safeguards which were also not in place at the time,
believe me having posted on this subject at times in other threads, lets just look at why we are where we are on corporate punishment.
I attended St Pauls RC School( now closed) St Richards primary school, and St Edmunds RC School
in that time I saw teachers throw a child down a set of stairs, shut pupils heads in desk, plus other more violent ways of teaching(if that's the word) and although the schools knew it went on, these teachers continued.
Even down to nuns who were supposed to be religious picking children up by there hair, and open abuse.
I always thought it was just those schools and I had just been unlucky in the ones I attended, but during life in general chat
I found other catholics at the time across the country saw the same.
so although there has to be an alternative, it has to be well thought out, with safeguards
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I've never been talking about mistreating kids or beating them. I know there have been schools/teachers who have enjoyed doing that and they must be weeded out, but I'd be surprised if it is common-place in schools.
Roger
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that's the thing roger
as I said it was
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Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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Punishment is not the answer. Discipline is and that can only be achieved through mutual respect. The rot seemed to set in when league tables were introduced and statistics took priority over the individual needs of the children. Ok, some children really do have problems, that was where, in my day, the school Inspector visited your parents and agreed a plan of action for your child in the hope of a good outcome. It was all about support, not exclusion.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I found over my years even some of the most disruptive children, if listened to can and do change
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Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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What happened to you and me then Keith??
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In my Experience, the most disruptive Kids are the most intelligent and get bored very easily.
It shows, when they become Adults and start realising they messed up, getting the degreee and end up in high paid Jobs.
It always depends on the individual and how you treat them in that certain time and situation.
There is no recipe one for ALL. That be a miracle and I would start worrying too.
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This happened years ago: [2.6d was a lot of money in 1882)
GOLDUP, George of Sandgate, Labourer, was summoned at the instance of the School Attendance Officer for neglecting to send his son George between 11 and 12 years of age, to school. Fined 2s 6d including costs. (Kentish Express & Ashford news Sat. 4th Mar 1882 County Petty Sessions Hythe on Thursday).
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