Has Charlie Elphicke failed Dover
- 10 October 2014 20:13273170Has Charley actually failed Dover?
He fought bravely, boldly, brilliantly against the privatisation of our port... but then what? what actually changed at the port? I'll tell you what:
Bob Goldfinger's number 2, the man who was more behind the privatisation that big bob himself Tim Waggott is now in charge. talking to some people I know at the port they long for the bad old days back
The board is the same board that were all behind the privatisation scheme; the now chairman of that board (who has JUST been REAPPOINTED) was as deputy chairman during the privatisation scheme and was all for it
the managers at the port are all exactly the same
so wehn we think about it NOTHING has actually CHANGED at the port. A new MD and a lot more self promotion, but aything of substance? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUT...... What of privatisation........ What of US in the dover community?????????
the harbour boards community fund is nothing, and absolutely meaning less. As Peter noticed amausingly - its SUBSTANTIALLY LESS than waggotts salary. And with "1% of pre-tax profits" why do I get the feeling that profits will mysteriously fall all of a suddenly? It is after all a port run by accountants.
Finally......... what if the port had PRIVATISED? 10 million pounds was the figure I found when I looked back
http://www.lloydsll.com/freight-directory/viewarticle.htm?articleID=20017811127
So all in all, I'd say YES.... charlie elphicke lost the people of Dover 10 million pounds, and we have a port which is no different really from where it all started, may be even worse. - 10 October 2014 20:39273175I don't think Charlie has failed but I agree that questions have to be asked of the new "community" port. I think that the minister at the time expected a more involvement from the community and most certainly a bigger percentage of profit.
- Jan Higgins
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10 October 2014 21:05273179I agree Howard, I can't help but wonder if the minister knows or even cares about what is going on with the port.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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10 October 2014 21:05273180he has not only failed on the port but the hospital as well. - 10 October 2014 21:37273185I must disagree Brian, The new health facility will be many times better than what we have now.
None of us know what will go inside but the sheer size suggests that we will benefit. - Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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10 October 2014 21:41273186ok howard,but its still not a proper hospital.with wards.and that still meens you will have to go to ashford,canterbury or margate for ct,mri scans etc. - 11 December 2014 22:26275580I said it before and I said it again. I think Charlie has failed the people of Dover - he has admitted defeat. Clearly despite his campaign, there is no people's port, there is a pitiful community fund and the is no change at the Trust Port of DOVER.
- 12 December 2014 00:04275584Yes he has not been our best MP and also jumps on band wagons by saying he has done this and that but in fact the work was done by Dover own members of the public all he done was come in on a project when the back bone work has been done and take the credit for it. But if you do not vote for him again it is a move backwards.The public in Dover cannot win.
- 12 December 2014 09:19275588Of course Charlie has failed, if you use his own benchmarks of what he pledged pre 2010 he's been a disaster.
In his defence, there are about 1000 people in Dover & Deal who could be a Tory MP, they are simply there to follow instructions from HQ, check Charlie's voting record, 99% of the time he votes with the govt ie what he's told to do. Virtually anybody on this forum can do that.
Charlie is a lifelong Conservative hoping for a career in the party, he has zero interest in this constituency. The same applies to the vast majority of current MPs - 12 December 2014 09:19275589I don't think there is much an MP can do in 5 years. Charlie will point to the high speed train stopping at Deal and stopping the sell off of the port as his main achievements.
We won't know for sure how wide ranging the services will be at the hospital until it actually opens in the spring. - 12 December 2014 09:40275592He was one of them trying to buy the port He did not stop a sell off as I said members of the public done any hard work on projects then he comes along and tells the public he done it. It was myself that started the G/Cross for DOVER years ago yet he said he was one of the ones behind it .And he never was..He is a yes man for his own party and that is all.Just trying to climb up the ladder of power.