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    Ken
    Theres me thinking when you told me in the council chamber you agreed with me, you actually did!! oh well.

    back to your view, you are correct the labour party does need to decide where it sits on this issue, at the moment they are sending out many messages.

    And yes i'm sure Labour is more trusted on this and many issues more so than your conservatives.
    Obviously you did welcome Mr IDS on his visit to Dover, and i have to say since his time as leader where he was the leader at the wrong time, he has improved a lot.

    Mr IDS as leader was sadly one of the poorest put up, but he has come through it, and although i don't agree with his policies he has improved.

    There were times9(as you did yourself) that i argued on political grounds you are correct, but there were a lot of times whem your mate Sue and I worked closely together on a number of projects, and I worked closely with many other conservatives over my time.

    Don't forget I also let you buy me a bacon butty(and i brought you one lol) so im not all bad lol

    As for Harriet, the labour party needs to set out its stall on a number of issues, and closer to 2015 im sure they will

    anyway hope everyone has a lovely evening

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