Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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H S E profiteering and economic madness
My nephew needs a lift up to employment.
So I decided to inquire about some training for him.
So I rang a certain training establishment that was offering cheep deals.
They informed me that the training would be 5 days fulltime for £695.
After successful completion he would receive a red licence lasting for 2 years.
In these 2 years he would need to do an N V Q at £500 and then receive his blue licences lasting only 5 years before retest
All this just to drive a forklift on a building site, I have driven these things and you could train a monkey to drive these things.
No disrespect to my nephew.
Now the £695 ok with this, I have money he is skint and could not pay this
But the N V Q £500 and the 5 years
And it's much the same for a dumper, what happened to undoing some of these overburden on employment
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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i have helped out on a fork lift in my younger days, takes a few minutes to learn and a few hours to get it right.
no disrespect to those who do it for a living as no doubt they get it down to a fine art but nearly 700 oncers for 5 days seems like a con.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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It's the big yellow forklifts on building sits, there automatic up down forwould and back,
and this was the cheapest I could get, Government rules on construction sites
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Yes, a massive industry has built up from excessive Health & Safety rule application. The world has gone mad.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I will pas this on tom thank you very much.
Even though he was looking to building site work to complement the past training he has completed,
He was looking to get a job as a building site store man, then go up the management greasy hill to the top. Ambition and all that stuff.
And do you have a comment on H S E madness profiteering detrimental affects on industry and business?
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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This Competency-Card-Crapolla (C-Cs) is just another facet of the "Money is King" philosophy that has overtaken effort and industry as the way forward in all aspects of living in the UK since the early eighties.
I came to London as a young man in the boom years of the nineteen-seventies when there was no shortage of work. If you did not like where you worked you could get another job up the road lickety-split, where an increase in the basic wage was not possible a spot-bonus applied...so much for the dim and distant past.
The stark fact that there is so much more to working than the work itself has been overshadowed by the easy availability of labour and the drive to keep wages low and the rise of the middle-man.
The claim, often made here, that no Government can create jobs is plainly risible in the face of the fact of the shed-loads of money available to Private Enterprises to shoe-horn citizens into jobs that do not exist and to 'create' statistics that appear to show that these schemes work.
What IS needed, and what these several intermediaries cannot provide, is a sea-change in attitude in the way the State perceives the Citizenry. [As I have said before] It is often remarked that working in any/all aspects of Public Service would be much improved if there was no 'public' to interfere with the employees' quiet enjoyment of their work-environment. This goes from Local Government all the way to Parliament.
It is high time [I say again] that the citizen was first and foremost viewed as an asset and not as a liability or nuisance as at present.
These 'C-C' issuers, verifiers and re-verifiers are again another example of Private Enterprise on the Public Dole;paid and well paid to make it appear that something positive is being done.
How can somebody who is thus certified and working in the field require retesting in five years? (A case might be made for the need to retrain or for enhanced training.) Here again is the rub. What can be done to reassure an employer that full training will be of benefit to them, as opposed to creating a whole new tier of middle-man to arbitrarily add to employment costs?
It could be said that Democracy itself is to blame. That it creates a need for some semblance of progress rather than any sustaining of progress, but this is only half the story. Our two-party system is in large part at the very root of our problems. The Partys are so alike they each strive to differentiate themselves and in so doing seek to destroy all that has been done, (to unpick the tapestry of progress), in the hope that they will appear to be doing something. What there is of 'State' in the UK that endures each change of Government must be affected in a way that replaces 'British-Subject' with 'UK-Citizen'. No longer, "The State." but "Our State."
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Well dun tom more of the same thank you
We keep on about over taxation, but the hidden costs to customers need to be exposed more,
This H S E madness is crippling business and workers.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I understood that the Government were getting rid of these excesses. Small (and large) businesses need to be able to keep down costs, not get tied up in even more red-tape and more unnecessary bills for their business.
Roger
