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  Ray - post #3 - and some fell on stony ground? lol Agree with you.
  
  I have 3 sons, 2 went to secondary schools and the other to DGSB.
  The latter went to uni, gained a good degree and now has an excellent job at a university where he is team leader in his IT dept.
  The other 2?
  The youngest did a Saturday job at a small local tyre fitters, making tea, sweeping up etc but also learning. He is now assistant manager of his firms flagship branch and was recently offered his own branch.
  The other did lots of jobs when he left school and finally settled with a local and well known breakdown recovery firm where he has been a respected driver for a good few years now.
  All 3 earn good money and enjoy their working lives.
  Am I proud of them all? You bet I am. Just pointing out though that even if a child doesn't go to a grammar school they can still do well. I am an ex grammar school pupil and so is my husband.
  All boils down to the old saying really - life is what you make it.

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