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    BarryW try removing the sky blue tinted specs for a while and see the world and history without that glorious blue glow of self righteousness.

    John is right in that the trend for eroding personal freedoms started during the early years of Thatchers first term in government; that erosion continued throughout her and subsequent Tory administrations; you are right that the rate of erosion has accelerated through the period of Blair and Browns NuLab administration.

    This debate however, should not be a tit for tat dispute about the history of the removal/changing of freedoms, rights, duties and responsibilities it should be about how do we make it better, what freedoms and rights should we restore, what new duties and responsibilities ought we to consider etc.

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