Global warming???

• Guest 655

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  15 December 2008     09:0910961
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  It seems that sea ice levels have remained the same or trended upwards slightly over the last 30 years.
  
  This contradicts the global warming industry and throws serious doubts on the computer models they have used to predict some kind of flooding armaggeddon.
  
  Here is a link to the research that has been done which demonstrates this:
  http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/12/14/global-sea-ice-trend-since-1979-surprising/
  
  Should we thererfore risk damaging our economy based on what looks like a fallacy. Perhaps Bush has been right all along in defying Kyoto.
  
  Interesting stuff, I wonder where it will lead.
  
  A further thought. Sea ice itself does not cause sea levels to rise, it would only be ice melting from land which would do that. I am therefore assuming that they are using this as an indication that the melt of 'land ice' should not be worse than that if sea ice. Most 'land ice' is in the antartic of course but is it thinning?
  
  Lots more questions for scientists to answer there.
• Guest 640

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  15 December 2008     09:4410964
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  BarryW I havent looked at your link as yet, by the way you can make the link LIVE by clicking on the URL box in amongst the smileys, and typing between the boxes...but to get back to the story in hand. Im sure there are half a million other links that would show global warming actually happening. There have been endless reports on the BBC etc etc showing massive walls of ice cascading into the sea and so on and recently images of Polar Bears with no ice to thrive on..all now being water, where before it was solid ice and so on ad infinitum.
  
  I belive something is happening but where I have trouble is with this faintly ridiculous notion that by puttin green tax on petrol here in say lowly Wrigglesworth, or taxing poorer Gatwick holidaymakers out of a holiday, that all this 'warming' would stop. Piffle. You would need the whole world in harmony to stop flying for 6 months and stop using their cars for 6 months to make a ha'porth of difference.
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• Guest 655

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  15 December 2008     09:5810966
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  Thanks PaulB, here is the live link then....
  
  http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/12/14/global-sea-ice-trend-since-1979-surprising/
  
  What you are saying is correct but this looks like new research. It is very easy to get carried away by such images as you refer to without understanding the real context. I understand that they are not questioning global warming or CO2 content but the impact it has on the ice. There is also a lot of opinion that suggests that we are now in a cooling cycle!!!
  
  The point is that the man made global warming industry does not have it all its own way, far from it. It is good to question those beliefs that have become the 'norm'.
• Ross Miller

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  15 December 2008     10:0310967
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  Interesting post and link
  
  Here is a link to some "pro" stuff as a balance - National Geographic http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warming.html
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• Guest 675

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  15 December 2008     12:5110976
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  As a further balance here, it should be remembered that cannabis was criminalised in the US following a campaign led by the press owned by Hearst, who also owned a lot of paper mills, just after somebody patented a cheaper and more sustainable way of producing paper from hemp plants. Didn't the tabacco industry produce studies to show the benefits of smoking, even employing Lady Thatcher as a spokesperson?
  
  Whenever there are economic considerations those most threatened always seem to find 'experts' to produce studies that defend the status quo. (I know but we have to reclaim its original meaning)
  Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
  Richard Armour