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    Ah but Ross - this 'moral equivilence' so beloved of the left does not stack up.

    I do not want to commit mass murder, to maim and ruin innocent lives, women children and men going about their lawful daily lives.

    I want to prevent that - to stop those who, for their perverted cause, want to do harm to your receptionist for one. Those guilty of conspiring to slaughter innocents and have information that may lead to preventing another 9/11, 7/7 or Bali massacre deserves all they get and if that means using unsavoury methods to prevent mass murder and mayhem so be it.

    I am not, whatever Howard chooses to paint, in favour of some kind of indescriminate torture of those who 'may' loosely, just possibly, might, know something - but those captured who definately are involved in the planning and excecution of such attrocities - wring the information out of their wretched heads followed by the 9mm solution after to put them out of their mysery.

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