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    I agree with you Bern, I was pointing out the stupidity of ruling one out when it would mean that the sides are at least talking. Given todays news about tank movements and the call-up of reserves it could all be irrellevant all too soon anyway. Far too many nations, factions and 'allied supporters' will be looking to gain from an escalating conflict and it looks as if they will get. Won't hurt the pockets of the arms producing nations either.

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