Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Extradition blocked
I think this man should have been extradited for the offences he did in America
He wasn't just looking around the American defence computers,
he deleted accounts changed pass words and looked people out of there accounts
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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who?
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19968973 we were very grateful for another extradition very recently, should we pick and choose?
Audere est facere.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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I just hope our DPP takes this on & provides the necessary case for a trial.
If he does will we have another campaign to stop assessing whether justice can be applied?
We need to recognise that the guy was not proved innocent of any misdeed ,just that his Human Rights!!! might be infringed by an extradition.
Watty
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Here was me thinking that his health concerns were the issue. Now, when it's the turn of Grant Shapps/ Michael Green to head states side to face the music...
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the americans hate anyone getting one over on them first assange now mckinnon.
human rights is an issue, we only have to look at the kent pensioner accused of a white collar crime being dragged into court in chains.
Jan Higgins
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Paul #4, he has not stood trial so how could he have been proved guilty or even innocent.
I saw an interview with his lawyer and she was convinced he would have committed suicide prior to being deported, maybe the Kent pensioner should have claimed the same.
I can not understand why any British citizen should be extradited for a crime that was committed in the UK, they should go on trial in the UK.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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It's not about getting one over Howard it's about right and wrong, he understood the problems he was making, and he understood that deleting information was a threat to that countries computer system
I am no American government lover, but the American people have a right to defence from attack
If he hade hacked in to your bank account, and deleted your money you'd not be very happy.
These people create mayhem all the time just for the fun of it
I do think the yanks should employ him he's very good at his trade.
assange never stole ,hacked information he just published it
Jan .
the computer he broke into was in America
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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But he was here when he broke into it.
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Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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That's the point I'm making Jan.
Because he is not being extradited does not mean he is not guilty of a crime, the due legal process should be applied in this country to determine that..
He has admitted he committed the crime.
Watty
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Perhaps he should just write somebody a cheque?
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Ross Miller
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Thankfully if a little late. the Home Secretary has recognised that where crimes are committed in this country, our public prosecutor should decide if there is a case to answer here, before any request for extradition on the same charges is considered.
Of course if tried in this country and found innocent (unlikely in the case of Mackinnon as he has admitted the crime) then extradition MUST be refused; though I am damn sure the merkins will try it on.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I understood that in his own "innocent" way, he was looking for information on UFOs, nothing else; maybe he got frustrated because he couldn't find any, that he actually did some damage.
Roger
SWWood- Location: Dover
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I have to wonder if the reason McKinnon is staying, whilst Abu Hamza and friends sit in a cell in America, is because papers like the Mail campaigned on behalf of McKinnon, whilst declaring outrage that Hamza hadn't gone. It stinks of double standards. By his own admission, McKinnon's actions were a politically motivated, targetted attack on the U.S. defence system. It wasn't an accident, and it wasn't simply looking for UFO's.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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McKinnon has some significant mental health problems, which to me, is not a reason to stop him standing a fair trial either here of in the USA. He does not, however really represent a clear and immediate threat to the lives of British people.
Hamza is a fanatical Islamist and does pose a clear and present danger.
So the two cases do not represent double standards.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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If there is a case to answer, then he should stand trial here, where the alleged crime(s) were committed. End of story.
True friends stab you in the front.
SWWood- Location: Dover
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There is a case to answer, a fact which is not disputed. McKinnon's actions were a targetted attack on the U.S. defense system, on American servers, on American soil. The CPS decided not to prosecute in the UK. The judge at his extradition case stated it was his opinion that the case should be heard in America, and this was supported on appeal. The reason for rejecting extradition was on human rights grounds, nothing else. Which begs the question, would Abu Hamza sill be here if he had claimed to be suicidal?
Guest 730- Registered: 5 Nov 2011
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I think they should be grateful to him for showing the weakeness in their security. From what I've read and heard he had no malicious intent, but suppose he had been a terrorist. A lot of the money he cost them was probably providing security that should have been there in the first place. And why do these things take so long, all this happened ten years ago.
Anyway if there is a trial it should be here where the crime was committed.
SWWood- Location: Dover
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Colin, when McKinnon hacked one military computer in the US, he left a message:
"US foreign policy is akin to Government-sponsored terrorism these days ... It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand down on September 11 last year ... I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels ... "
I'm not sure that represents no malicious intent.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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To be honest I have got to the stage of past caring, as Colin has pointed out this happened 10 years ago and should have been sorted years ago. This must have been a lawyers delight they are the winners out of this mess.
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