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    allow me to address the points you raise baz, firstly longstanding members i.e pre 2005 were here in the days when pseudonyms were acceptable. that was then stopped because of abusive posts but the ones still here were never that way.

    some professions such as police officers and teaching persons on both are allowed to use their first name together with initial of surnames which i think is acceptable.

    you refer to "playground remarks" on both forums, i disagree as we do not start threads usually on them but most over there contain highly personal abuse about our members.

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