Dover Football
- 5 June 2013 15:38232275Well the squad that came within a whisker of promotion to the Conference are leaving in droves and there are more to go yet!! I hope Kinnear has some serious signings lined up to take their places. Could understand it if we had been relegated
Audere est facere. - 5 June 2013 15:45232279i have been following this, it comes across that kinnear hasn't spoken to some players since the salisbury game leaving them to make other arrangements.
- 5 June 2013 15:50232280That is the way it seems Howard, our very best players all want out, something not right there.Audere est facere.
- 5 June 2013 17:24232295looking from the outside the whole thing must seem strange to the supporters martin. kinnear has come in and moulded the players into a strong unit that took a much stronger club to extra time in a play off final.
to me the logical thing was to start the next season with as much of the same squad as possible so there is not the problem of bedding in new players.
i note that the coach has also left the club so the suspicion is that the manager doesn't want anyone from the last regime there. - Keith Sansum1
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5 June 2013 20:06232309It does appear strange that a lot of the other clubs as soon as the final whistle had gone went into the market to build for next season.
on interview Kinnear says he MAY be able to pick up some ex footy league players.
The way things are going I think Kinnear may have made some grave errors of judgement.
The ex coach is now manager of EbbsfleetALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 5 June 2013 22:47232344I feel someone should correct a few misconceptions expressed in this thread.
Firstly, with regards to Ebbsfleet. Only a couple of months ago they were facing meltdown and possible extinction as a result of their previous ownership. They were saved, however, by a Kuwaiti consortium fronted by Peter Varney, former chief exec of Charlton Athletic. Having removed their long serving manager, they appointed former Dover coach and Charlton Athletic legend Steve Brown as their new manager, and gave him a very generous budget for next season. Brown is very familiar with Dover's players, having coached here last season. As a result, he has taken a couple of players with him, and it is likely one or two more will follow. Ebbsfleet are offering financial terms Dover cannot compete with (and Dover generally pay well), and combined with the reduced travelling distances involved, it comes as no surprise that some players have accepted the offer. In most cases, these were out of contract players, with the exception of Daryl McMahon, for whom Dover reecieved a substantial fee. These are part time footballers who are entitled to take the best offer presented to them, and to be honest, I don't blame them for leaving. However, to try to blame Dover, Chris Kinnear or Jim Parmenter for their departures is unfair. Players come and go, and all will be replaced. Simply put, there is nothing to worry about.
In answer to Keith, the reason other clubs were quicker to start rebuilding than Dover was in no small part due to the fact that Dover's season lasted a fortnight longer (due to playoffs), and obviously the manager didn't even know until after the playoff final what league we would be in. As for Howard's assertion that "the suspicion is that the manager doesn't want anyone from the last regime there"; Steve Brown left the club to take up a manager's position at Ebbsfleet, having been overlooked for the Dover manager's job in favour of Kinnear when Nicky Forster was relieved of his position. Again, he received a good offer elsewhere, and a chance to start a new career as a manager.
I apologise for the rant, but some of the rubbish written about Dover Athletic over the past few days has been ridiculous. Players have left for better offers elsewhere. It happens. Location always makes it difficult to attract players down here, but we have always managed it because our Chairman pays good wages. However, events at Ebbsfleet have made it more difficult now. Difficult, but not impossible. We have a vastly experienced manager who knows what he is doing, and a chairman who will back him. The time to start doubting them is when the new season kicks off, not the beginning of July.
http://www.dover-express.co.uk/Dover-Athletic-chairman-hits-players-left-club/story-19193592-detail/story.html
On a positive note, and as a quick reminder, for anyone who has yet to do so, you can apply for your new season ticket at discounted rate here. - Keith Sansum1
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6 June 2013 07:26232354SW WOOD
You have obviously chosen to single me out rather than the author of the thread, and that's fine, but let me give you an alternative view.
I did watch Mr Kinnears interview where he stated he wouldn't rush into signings, which is fine if he does manage to sign the players he wishes to sign.
As for Ebbsfleet my comments were just to update Howard on previous staff, and where he went.
Of course there will always be concerns on a football club that all those postings have for there club, and wanting them to do well, and I will repeat, that I will support Dover whether they play in the Kent League, or football league.
Money even at a local level will always be a problem, as will the area that Dover finds itself in, and it will be hard to compete, And of course no one blames players for going with the money.
Whatever the outcome I will be thereALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 6 June 2013 08:25232361I remember a story of a fan who spent lotsa money having "Gravesend and Northfleet FC" and the club's coat of arms tattooed all over his body. A fortnight later they changed their name to Ebbsfleet United.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- Keith Sansum1
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6 June 2013 08:36232367yes I used to visit gravesend's ground all those years ago
been to lots of grounds over the years, tattoos are to permanent in the ever changing football saga even at local levelALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 6 June 2013 10:02232393interesting that mr parmenter accuses the players of "chasing the money" and at the same time states that he was not offering any of the 6 new contracts.
- 6 June 2013 10:38232413Actually Keith, I wasn't singling you out at all. Indeed, I will always pay more attention to comments from those who attend games (and stay until the final whistle) than I do to those from armchair supporters. I was simply responding to the general assumption that, because we have seen players leave, there must be something wrong at Dover. I am uncomfortable with the idea of accusing the manager of wanting to remove all traces of the old regime, or of making "grave errors of judgement". It is simply a matter of money.
I understand that much of the news coming out of Crabble has been disappointing so far, but that will soon change. When we start to hear of which players have signed up for another year, and which new players we have brought in, the situation will look a lot brighter. - Keith Sansum1
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6 June 2013 12:38232436MR./MRS Wood
I made no comment in that direction
but yes I not only support over the years have been seen at chesters ground, and I recall a dreary 0-0 at bath some years ago,
much travelled away as well.
but as I finished in my earlier thread, I will support dover whether in the kent league or football league
its my home town teamALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 6 June 2013 13:05232441this chap sees it the same way as i do.
http://www.dover-express.co.uk/Ebbsfleet-vice-chairman-reacts-Jim-Parmenter-s/story-19205560-detail/story.html - 6 June 2013 14:12232443The chairman's son has commented on the DAFC forum.
by stevep » Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:19 am
They are not an accurate reflection of Jim's comments. I have already been in contact with the express about it. We will put something up on the official website soon that more accurately reflects the opinion of the Chairman and the current 'feeling' within the club. I can assure you, it's all very relaxed! - 6 June 2013 16:12232454do we know what mr parmenter actually said as up until now the dover express facebook page has not changed its stance?
- Keith Sansum1
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6 June 2013 22:24232488Im glad that the chair of dover footy club is relaxed, the next season will be soon upon us
good luck mr kinnearALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 6 June 2013 23:02232493Makes a change from poring over the entrails of the Tory party, doesn't it, Keef?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson