Guest 677- Registered: 8 Jul 2008
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"Dover Town Carnival Ltd were invited to a Dover Carnival Parade on October 2nd 2011 today.
Whilst we wish Dover Carnival Association every success with their Carnival we would like the people of Dover and most especially our sponsors for our Carnival in July to be aware that the October Carnival is not being run by our Association nor is it in any way connected to Dover Town Carnival Ltd."
Could Michelle please explain why she felt it was necessary to post this all over Facebook today. Whilst a lot of people in Dover are aware that there are two Carnival courts for this town I suspect that 99% of them care not a jot and are just grateful that people in the town put on any interesting event.
As far as I can see the only reason for this post to be plastered all over facebook is to put their sponsors on notice just in case Dover Carnival Association approach them for sponsorship too, should this occur she can be assured that DCA will in no way attempt to claim kinship to Dover Town Carnival Ltd.
The Torchlight Parade that hopefully will be held on the 2nd of October is to celebrate the 130th Anniversary of Dover Carnival Association and many invitations have gone out in the hopes that DDC give permission for the parade to go ahead. This parade, as well as celebrating the history of the DCA is a excellent chance for the people of Dover to see that not all town events are limited to the Summer and that there are many different peoples and organisations who want to celebrate what a wonderful town we live in.
If Dover Town Carnival Ltd did not wish to attend this parade DCA would have accepted, regretfully, that decision but possibly understood it. I, however, do not understand the reason behind the posting on facebook and wish it could be explained to me.
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Keith Sansum1
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#2
oh dear
probably time to dip out of this thread looks like its going to get hot
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Brian Dixon
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#3
#4
I don't think trivialising this will help, guys.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#5
BERN;
My point was i recognise there are differences between these 2 bodies
far better to iron them out behind closed doors
i did try to suggest just that.
obviously theres a lot more to this
so best to dip out, and hopefully at some point they will come together
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#6
It's a shame about the politics surrounding Dovers 2 Carnival Courts. I respect both Michelles and Stephanies viewpoints. Maybe some form of arbitration could take place.
On a very personal note I can only say that Stinkers year on the court really brought her out of her shell and she had a super year.
Here is a photo of what the courts are all about...kids enjoying themselves whilst actively raising funds for local charities.
Must add Stinker was recovering from a bout a measles when this photo was taken hence a local shop made the small jacket within 24 hours to cover her arms. Well done Dover
Marek
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Guest 662- Registered: 18 Mar 2008
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#7
I am only going to comment on this once as I have no intention of letting this thread turn into a "them and us" situation, we have been there before and as a result both Associations lose their integrity and dignity.
I chose my words carefully in my statement and ensured that I was only complimentary about DCA and their girls, I would ask that they respond likewise.
The statement we have issued is purely and simply a way of protecting our reputation with regard to Carnival as alot of time and effort went into persuading the people of Dover to believe in Carnival again and we would like to ensure that this perception is carried through to July 2012.
Reference to our sponsors was purely so that they know we have not kept anything back from them and that we havent advertised this Event and their sponsorship because it is not ours!
With regard to sponsorship approaches, there are many organisations throughout Dover that do what they do to ensure that Dover Events continue and all of these groups approach the same people for sponsorship, it is a limited pool but so far and by working together we have managed to ensure there is enough to go around.
As I previously said we hope that the illuminated parade on 2nd October is a success for DCA.
Thanks
Sheli x
p.s. there is another thread entitled "It's not us" already open where I posted my original statement.
Guest 677- Registered: 8 Jul 2008
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#8
I apologise for starting a new thread where one wasn't necessary and shall post my responses on the "It's not us" thread from now on. If Paul wishes to amalgamate these threads I am happy for this to happen.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#9
Are there any differences of substance between the two carnival groups or is it just personalities?
Or handbags at dawn?
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Guest 677- Registered: 8 Jul 2008
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#10
Peter dear, the only difference between the two is that one has the support and sponsorship of the town and the other doesn't.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#11
Pardon me Stephanie, for being so obtuse, but I would like to understand more on the issue. Why does the town council support one but not the other?
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#12
I'm confused as well xwhich one was Mandie Sembie involved with ?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#13
that is the one that sheli runs now paul.
Guest 662- Registered: 18 Mar 2008
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#14
Peter it is a very long story that goes back before my time and has been made worse over the years by committee members on both sides entering into a slanging match in public.
As I recall originally DCAL was set up as members of the Committee did not agree with the way that things were run, with regard to Child Protection and Insurance etc... However, it is my understanding that both DCA and Dover Town Carnival have evolved from then and cannot comment on the status of these things now.
Dover Town Carnival was set up when DCAL failed to put on a Carnival and the DCAL Court were left without a float etc... nothing to do with DCA at all.
DCA in my memory have always run the Dickens Festival and DCAL and now Dover Town Carnival ran the Carnival.
Recently the two courts have worked well and although at some Carnivals we do both attend, there are Carnivals and Events that DCA do and we dont and vice versa, hence ensuring that Dover has a constant presence.
Dover Town Carnival do not have anything against DCA and a great deal of work has gone into building a relationship with Grace and Louise in particular to ensure that we do not revert to the bad times.
Dover Town Carnival issued a statement wishing them well but letting people know it was them and not us that was running the Carnival in October. We meant them no harm and in fact have probably helped get the word out and advertise their Carnival.
Sorry I cant be more explicit but as I said it all happened a long time ago.
Guest 677- Registered: 8 Jul 2008
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#15
Peter, my apologies if I sounded flip it was not my intent. And I fully appreciate Sheli's explanation however there are a couple of points that I feel I must add.
Whatever the "official" reason DCAL was set up the underlying cause was a conflict of personalities I'm afraid. This I only note as the Child protection policies and insurance were as far as I am aware fully up to spec. As my husband was a member of the founding committee of DCAL (and I joined a very short time later for a little while) I feel fairly confident in putting this opinion forward.
There has never been any slanging match on the side of DCA as far as I'm aware, after the conflict of personalities Louise Scott took over Chairmanship of DCA and has never had an unkind word to say about anyone regarding anything, the rest of her committee have followed suit.
Dover Carnival Association started the Dickens Festival at the same time as DCAL took over the summer carnival as that was the time that DCA lost the support of the town I'm very sorry to say. In the following years DCA has done it's best to support Dover at events across the South East and outside of Dover is well respected (as I know is DTC).
As for my comment above regarding lack of town support, I didn't mention the council Peter but as you have noticed they do seem to prefer to support one court over the other which I do think is unfair and see no reason for. My personal view is that the council should support either both or neither but that is for the Mayor and Town Clerk to decide.
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