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DOVER APPRENTICE ENROLMENTS
In the 1970s, "about two lorry loads" of Dover Corporation records were taken from Dover to Kent County Archives, Maidstone. A lot of the records were very damp. Among this mass of material, Dover Apprentice Enrolments are recorded, in several volumes, as detailed below. The whereabouts of enrolments from 25 Mar 1689 to 2 Dec 1692, which are stated to be "in another book", is not known. A few enrolments in the 1788 - 1790 period appear to be "lost", due to damage; and possibly some much earlier ones, before 1598 may have been missing since the 17th century.
Transcript of the enrolments, c.1590 to c.1890 is being finalised at present and will soon be available on CD.
Here are a few of the enrolments at the beginning of the volumes:
(NOTE: spelling is as written), Ind = Indenture; Inr = Inrolled/Enrolled
"John BREADGATE maior sitting with Common Council and Juratts in 40th of Elizabeth" (folio 34) begins 20 June.
John NORMAN son of Edward NORMAN late of Dover husbandman deceased TO William BENNETT (Baker) 7 years from Indenture dated 20 June 40th year Eliz I. Inrolled 4 September (fol.34)
Charles STEELS (x) son of James STEELS of City of London (Clerk?), with consent of father and friends TO John PRINGLE/PRINGELL of Dover, Baker for 7 years from St John Baptist next (lengthy terms of apprenticeship)
Ind 20 June 44th year Eliz. I. (fol.34)
Robert FOREMAN son of Thomas FOREMAN of Rie (= Rye) Sussex, merchant, with consent of father TO John BREDGATE, (BREADGAT), Juratt of Dover, 7 years, trade of a Merchant (lengthy terms of apprenticeship) Indenture dated 23 Feb/ 40th year Eliz. I. (fol.34)
John GIBBS/GYBBS son of Richard, Sayler, late of Dover Kent, deceased, aged 15 yrs or thereabout TO Tymothie HART of Dover, Saylor (sgd Tymothy) from the Feast of Annun. St Mary for 7 years apprentice and one year
Last day of June xxxviij year Eliz. I (fol.35)
Rouland MACKLEN/MACKLYN son of William MACKLYN of Dover, marrynr TO Thomas HART of Dover marrynr for 6 yrs from Feast of purification of the Virgin Mary (lengthy terms of apprenticeship). Ind. 27 Jan 45th Eliz I (fol.35)
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Some references to Dover apprenticeships from the newspapers:
Other Dover records may mention apprentices, ie. Sessions of Peace in which a discharge of an apprenticeship was noted; , or an apprentice who was badly treated by his master. Many would be reported in the local papers. Apprentices were sought through local newspapers also and newspapers often advertised for information on an apprentice who had "Run Away" from his master.
Jonathan BAKER, apprenticed fisherman - Police Report - was beaten by his master, Mr PENN, and did not want to return. Advised to return (Dover Telegraph 17 Feb 1838 p.8 col.3)
William MARLEN, Cabinet maker, case adjourned at Dover Sessions. Charged with assaulting Daniel MORPHEW (his apprentice) at St James Dover. (Dover Telegraph 13 Aug 1836 p.8 col.3)
COULTHARD & WILSON: advert for 10 youths to learn the trade (Dover Express 3.3.1876 p.2 col.1)
Mrs GAMBIER, Mantua Maker has moved to St Margaret's Street, Canterbury. Advert for two apprentices
(Kentish Gazette Feb 2 - 5 1790 p.1 col.2)
Kentish Gazette 27 Feb 1801 p.1 col.4:
Wanted: A young gentleman, as an APPRENTICE To a SURGEON and APOTHECARY. For particulars apply to Mr THATCHER, Surgeon, Dover.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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apprenticeships were very different then as exemplified by the bit about "the apprentice who had run away from his master".
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The masters, in times past, virtually "owned" their apprentices, it was a contract.
Here are some more refs:
Richard BEAN, Runaway apprentice to Thomas BAX, carpenter/wheelwright of Denton
(Kentish Gazette Jan 22-26 1790 p.1 col.1)
Wm HULKE, Surgeon, Deal - advertising for an apprentice (Kentish Gazette Nov 9 - 12 1790 p.1 col.2)
Daniel MORPHEW apprentice of Wm MARLEN, cabinet maker - Wm MARLEN charged with assaulting him in St James parish Dover. Adjourned (Dover Telegraph 13.8.1836 p.8 col.3)
John PRITCHARDS, apprentice to Mr W. MOWLE, tailor. Police report, Dover: J.P. charged with disobedience during working hours. sentenced to 1-week in gaol (Dover Telegraph 17.3.1838 p.8 col.3)
Mr James SQUIER - Hairdresser, New Bridge, Dover - advertising for an apprentice
(Kentish Gazette Fri 5 Feb 1808 p.1 col.2)
John CORBETT currier, leather cutter, patten and heel-maker near the Market, Dover advert for an apprentice (Kentish Gazette Jan 12-15 1790 p.1 col.2)
Thomas Charles READ:
"absconded from the service of Mr Thomas HORN of Buckland, to whom they are apprentices, William HEDGECOCK, paper maker, 20 yrs of age, about 5'6" high, stout made, round face, of a hobbling gait and wears his own hair, short; Thomas Charles READ, papermaker, aged between 18 and 19 years, about 5'8" high, pale complexion, and wears his own short hair. If they will return to their master's service within a week from this day they will be received and forgiven. But after that time a reward of 40 shillings each will be paid on apprehending them and whoever harbours them after that day will be prosecuted."
(Kentish Gazette 8.1.1806, quoted in Folkestone Herald of 11.11.1950 page 4).
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If I may...
Some re-emphasis on real apprenticeships would be very welcome, I'm sure...
Warning from headteachers as parents dig deep to fund boom in private tutors
"...Hundreds of thousands of children - some as young as two - now receive private tuition at a cost of between £7 and £60 an hour. Parents say the extra study gives their children confidence and helps them secure top grades, but headteachers are warning that the tutoring market is beginning to spiral out of control and is "trading on insecurity"..."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2013/apr/26/warning-headteachers-tutoring-boom
Tutoring's downside
"It is worrying that parents are paying for extra tutoring in the hope that their children will reach the required A-level grades for a university course (Poorer parents digging deep to fund boom in private tutoring, 27 April).[i.e. the above link]
Such students, even if successful, are being set up to struggle once they get to university, where class contact time will be minimal and teaching does not focus on passing exams.
University teachers are increasingly seeing a mismatch between our incoming students' perceptions of education and our own.
While we try to develop the skills of independent research, analysis, critique and original thought, they just want to be told the "right" answer (or the one that will get them a first-class mark).
Their confusion is total when this meets with not just a refusal but a suggestion that there might be more than one...
Professor Rosemary Auchmuty
School of law, University of Reading"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2013/apr/29/tutoring-downsideIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
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brilliant article there highlighting the vast difference between being qualified on one hand and knowing what one is talking about on the other.
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Since when has "knowing what one is talking about" mattered?
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Is it not better to frame the question as:Since when has not knowing what one is talking about ceased to matter?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i know someone that has a plaque on their kitchen wall that reads:
"oh lord i beseech thee each day to stop me opening by big mouth until i know what i am talking about".
not involved in politics either.
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Precisely Howard, people have been saying it for centuries, educated idiots are hardly a new thing.
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A few more apprenticeships, at random:
George GREEN son of George GREEN of Ashford Kent Grasier aged 14 years on 14 Oct last past by Ind 17 Nov 1746 appr TO Robert BALDERSTONE of Dover woollen draper and taylor for 7 years from 15 Oct last past.... £20 to the master and £10 to be paid by the father on 15 April 1750 if both the said Robert BALDERSTONE and George GREEN the apprentice shall so long live - to teach the trades and occupations of woollen draper and taylor... also at his own charges to carry the said apprentice to London once in each of the two last years of the said term in order to learn to buy goods and to instruct him therein and to make and mend his woollen clothes until he shall be capable of it himself the father paying only Journeyman's wages for it And afterwards to suffer the said apprentice to make and mend the same himself... and the said George GREEN the father pays the said sum of £10 to Robert BALDERSTONE on 15 April 1750 if the master and apprentice shall so long live and shall find the said apprentice apparrell and mending of linen during the said term and to pay journeyman's wages for making and mending his woollen clothes until he shall be capable himself... and to pay for both a doctor and nurse for him in his sickness during the said term except the nurse's board. Inr 5 Dec 1746.
Thomas FFYNNIS son of Thomas FFYNNIS of parish of Huffam, Carpenter by Ind. xxiiii June 1640 hath put himself appr TO Mr Andrew BROWNE of Dovor afsd, shipwright, for 8 years. At end of term double apparrel and an axe and adys, auger maule, handsawe, one cawking iron and reevehooke? and bilgemallet and clavet? hamer, and one chissell, ten shillings in money and one cloath cloke. Inr 27 June 1640 (first page fol.68)
Valentine AUSTEN son of James AUSTEN late of Nunnington, husbandman by consent of Elizabeth wife of Abraham MOTE mother of said Valentine appr TO Edward WORTHINGTON of Dover Cooper by Ind 25 June 1702 for 7 years "and yearly during the said term for five weeks in harvest give to his apprentice leave to absent himself from his master's service and to work for himself in harvest work or otherwise without any account to be given to his master". Inr 18 Dec 1702.
Thomas SUTTON, a poore child of parish of St Mary Dover by Ind 28 June 1705 appr BY James ROBINSON, James FLINDER, churchwardens of St Mary, and Thomas BROADLY, Wm PASCALL, Wm THORNTON and Anthony CHURCH, overseers of the poor of same with consent of H.M. Justices of the Peace of Dover, appr TO Samuel LATHAM of Dover Hempdresser, who covenants to bring up the said apprentice in his trade (etc.). Inr 25 Sep 1705.
Stephen HOPGOOD son of Elizabeth HOPGOOD of River Kent widow with consent of mother apprentice to Edward VINCER of Dover Glazier and Plumber, for 7 years, by Ind of 30 Jul 1712, from 25 March before... consideration £10 to the master... master will allow him 5 weeks time in harvest for his own use... mother to find apparrell of all sorts and aprons and diamonds for use in the said trade. Inr 14 Oct 1712
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