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    Roger, I agree with Bern, it would be a bad habit if people started shoving other people about, if a security guard allows a passenger to get up and throw another passenger off a train.

    Violent reactions are proof of the absence of reasonable debate. If it was for a trivial £2 ticket, and another passenger had offered to pay the fare for the young man, the case would have no doubt ended there, to everyone's satisfaction.

    Who was it who said: if someone forces you to walk a mile with him, walk two miles with him"?

    Merry Christmas!

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