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    I don't think anyone has defended the oaf, Roger. Indefensible! Neither is anyone saying we should not intervene - I think we have a civic obligation to act. But I am saying that there has to be a line drawn - it could be a matter of anyone who disliked anything anyone else says just shoving them around, because they can. At what point - just because we don't like the relevant law or we don't think it meets the need - does the person shoving on civic grounds become the thug?

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