howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#1
Kent police have enough on their plate at the moment without groups trying to make political capital out of the migrant situation.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/folkestone/news/police-on-standby-for-rival-41006/Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#2
Time to get the batons out
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#3
Seems there were only a handful from the 3 extreme groups but a "heavy" police presence at a time they are stretched to the limit. Why they don't just arrest those who wear masks amazes me, they must be up to no good.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/folkestone/news/police-on-standby-for-rival-41006/Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#4
Peaceful demonstration is one of the few civil liberties which we are left with, and as the demo went off peacefully, no laws were broken so why should anyone be arrested ?
Our useless politicians do nothing to help the situation, they don't listen to the public but carry on doing what they like, I'm glad to see people demonstrating for what they believe in.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#5
The only reason it went off peacefully is that there were more police than demonstrators. A couple of points to add:-
a) Why would people wear masks if they intended to behave?
b) The leader of "Folkestone United" comes from Margate and is a full time rabble rouser that makes a point of being involved in street skirmishes.
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
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#6
What civil liberties have we lost? I thought just about all civil liberties were ensconced within the deeply flawed human rights act.
I do wish though that more people would stop blaming the migrants and blame the culprits (Europe, America and our own spineless government, we are after all the most recent to stir the Middle East hornets nest, and then turn our backs.
Arte et Marte
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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#7
Reginald Barrington wrote:What civil liberties have we lost? I thought just about all civil liberties were ensconced within the deeply flawed human rights act.
Answered your own question there - we can no longer have an opinion that might (just might, not will) upset someone else.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#8
Thanks Ray, I couldn't think of a polite way to put it, and I would like to include the right to strike, and all those strange things that happened during the miner's strike where people couldn't move freely around the country if somebody in authority 'thought' they might do something illegal. I do agree with the comments about spineless governments. Licking the boots of the americans while women and children get murdered in Palestine, why ? because camoron's great grandfather was a German jew and camoron said 'I will always support israel'. No human rights for those poor people. Now obama says he wants us to stay in the eu, sounds like he might not be our friend if we leave, puppets of the americans, all because they got a taste of 'terrorism', which they had been funding in central america for many years, and had been turning a blind eye to ira funding in the streets of new york.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#9
Ray Newsam1 wrote:Answered your own question there - we can no longer have an opinion that might (just might, not will) upset someone else.
Even worse, we might cause someone to take offence on someone else's behalf.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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#10
Peter Garstin wrote:Even worse, we might cause someone to take offence on someone else's behalf.
When that person might not have been offended in the first place.
Ray and Peter.
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Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#11
Sorry about the earlier post, went into a bit of a rant there.
I get so wound up by the politicians who feel they have to lick the american's boots. They're no friends of ours no matter what they might say, and they are probably the country with the worst human rights record on the planet, if their covert operations (which are now coming to light) are taken into consideration. USA are one of only two countries that refuse to condemn the israelis for their actions in Palestine, is it any wonder that the west is targeted by Muslim 'terrorists' (freedom fighters if they were funded by the US ) when we cuddle up to the americans ?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#12
During the civil war in Lebanon I used to visit Beirut on business about twice a year, on and off between about 1981 and 1998. It's a lovely place to visit, the food is great, the people are ultra- friendly and hospitable. I used to wander around Muslim areas of west Beirut in the evening soaking up the ambience. I was never threatened in any way. Rather than that, I would be invited into poor families' houses to share their meagre evening meal. I always politely declined (although it can be considered rude to refuse hospitality) Many of the poor people I met were exiled Palestinians whose families had been ousted from their homelands by the Zionist government of the new Israel, created after the war by the Allied powers.
We reap where we sow.
Israel is the only 'democracy' which actively uses terrorism as an instrument of foreign policy. British and American support of this brutal regime is totally indefensible.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Brian Dixon
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#13
well said peter.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#14
Having said all that, my favoured future holiday destination is Jordan.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#15
Things are changing in the Middle East with the US signing a "peace deal" with Iran much to the disgust of Israel. It remains to be seen if Iran's nuclear programme is purely for economic purposes but I cannot work out who I trust less out of them an Israel.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#16
howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Things are changing in the Middle East with the US signing a "peace deal" with Iran much to the disgust of Israel. It remains to be seen if Iran's nuclear programme is purely for economic purposes but I cannot work out who I trust less out of them an Israel.
Of all the protagonists in this drama, the one I trust least is the United States.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#17
It may surprise you Peter, but I feel exactly the same.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#18
Kissinger once said: "The U.S. doesn't have friends, only interests". I think that was when the Americans refused to back us during the Falklands war.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson